2012 Porsche 911

It has destroyed everything in every review ive read, electronic steering could be a deal breaker but it would make it easier to live with. My dad quite fancies one so might get on a test drive when it hits the showroom :thumbsup:

Went and had a look at the current 997 C4GTS was lovely but the new one is supposed to be worlds apart and in that respect better we shall see! Exciting.
 
I saw one at Westfields last Novemeber on a 61 plate, as filthy as hell......knew it was way too early to be out, so not sure where it had come from.....

Great looking car.....you just know things don't go wrong with these cars, or at least I would assume they don't!!
 
What's IMS...I'm a bit thick, so forgive me for not keeping up :oops:
 
Think it's an intermediate shaft, prone to failure in some of the non GT derived 996/997's, Boxsters and Caymans causing catastrophic engine damage. It was I think the Achilles heel of Porsche reliability. Too early to say if the 991 will have the same problem. They have previously tried a fix, but the problem, although rare, has reoccurred.

A more detailed discussion below:-

http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?t=858268
 
RMS problems persist in the 996 models and in smaller amount on the 997. But they usually occur in cars which have missed service intervals or haven't been looked after well. Its like any car if they aren't treated well they break. RMS is a big issue in the 996, but generally the RMS is changed or checked at every service interval. It owuld not put me off buying one. The only reason I didnt buy a 996 C4S over the Zd was it was 3-5 years older and cost 5k more the Zd was a bargain. But I look back on it and wish I had. Next time but I will be looking at a 997.

The 991 is like the 996 was to its air cooled descendants, its the third iteration of 911 and built new from the ground up including the engines so hopefully the weaknesses of the older engines will have been resolved but like said its too early to tell.

In the big picture 1-3% of all 996 911s had catastrophic engine failure and even less in the 997. It is not worth worrying about and the more you know the better so you can have it looked at. Porsche seem to think that they have to take the whole engine out to look/replace the RMS but a lot of the Porsche specialists will do this without taking the engine out and it wont cost a lot. The seal itself is only a few quid.

The only problem with RMS is that it shows no signs of leaking, there will be no oil under the car, as it is contained but if it does it can leak into some pretty important areas which is why it causes catastrophic engine failure.

Most of the other problems were sorted in the second gen 996 which is years 2001+ so I would stay away from the early engines because they had more problems.

IMS can also be solved pretty easily if your car suffers from it with an upgraded baring. So again no worries there.
 
You might reasonably assume that the roof of the latest 911 Cabriolet is there so that its occupants can enjoy open air motoring. The truth is that this soft-top is merely a device to demonstrate to passengers how to fold themselves up if they wish to use the rear seats.

:rofl:
 
tomscott said:
RMS problems persist in the 996 models and in smaller amount on the 997. But they usually occur in cars which have missed service intervals or haven't been looked after well. Its like any car if they aren't treated well they break. RMS is a big issue in the 996, but generally the RMS is changed or checked at every service interval. It owuld not put me off buying one. The only reason I didnt buy a 996 C4S over the Zd was it was 3-5 years older and cost 5k more the Zd was a bargain. But I look back on it and wish I had. Next time but I will be looking at a 997.

The 991 is like the 996 was to its air cooled descendants, its the third iteration of 911 and built new from the ground up including the engines so hopefully the weaknesses of the older engines will have been resolved but like said its too early to tell.

In the big picture 1-3% of all 996 911s had catastrophic engine failure and even less in the 997. It is not worth worrying about and the more you know the better so you can have it looked at. Porsche seem to think that they have to take the whole engine out to look/replace the RMS but a lot of the Porsche specialists will do this without taking the engine out and it wont cost a lot. The seal itself is only a few quid.

The only problem with RMS is that it shows no signs of leaking, there will be no oil under the car, as it is contained but if it does it can leak into some pretty important areas which is why it causes catastrophic engine failure.

Most of the other problems were sorted in the second gen 996 which is years 2001+ so I would stay away from the early engines because they had more problems.

IMS can also be solved pretty easily if your car suffers from it with an upgraded baring. So again no worries there.

Tom -

Important to clarify that we were talking about IMS
rather than RMS but you distinguish between them at the end. I understood IMS issues to present no prior symptoms or warning leading to engine failure? Is this not the case?

I have an easy solution - buy a GT3! Better engine, sound, handling and performance!! :P
 
I was just pointing out that RMS is also an issue. :thumbsup:

Most IMS bearings have been upgraded in the 996 to the newer second gen version, but these have also failed in some cases in the 996 and 997. But like I said Porsche dont like to admit its a problem but they check it at most service intervals. Generaly IMS is the same as RMS in terms of symptoms... non until it goes bang. IMS can make a squealing noise, but once its happened it causes quite a lot of havoc.

A 996 GT3 would be nice! Or you could get a turbo the Turbo/GT3/GT2 havent got the same issues. The 996 GT3 has got a bit of a cult following now the prices are going through the roof so the time to buy one is soon or I think they will get out of hand.
 
I have my eyes on the 997.1 version!!! It will have to wait a couple of years yet though. That's no problem though because I love my M. :thumbsup:
 
Ye well my dad has the 997.1 Cs and its awesome the noise the way it drives, completely different drive to the Mc there nothing quite like it. But it never gets out of sight in fact the performance is very similar! Still love the porsche tho! Looks amazing.

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IMG_0109 by tom_scott88, on Flickr
 
Nickm said:
One kind of extension? The mind boggles...... :rofl:
:lol: .... I can see how that looks now!!! Extension we our having at the back of the house... could buy a lovely porker! Then there's Mrs V then maybe some mini V's could be quite far down the list for a 911 :( 996 is in budget but dated now I prefer my Zed :D
 
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