2009 Porsche Cayenne Turbo S

[jamiez]

Merry Christmas All !

The Z4M is still sleeping and for the past 2 years I’ve been running a 330d estate as my daily driver, which is great but I’m feeling an itch for something more modern and niche whilst maintaining the practicality.

The quirkyness, rareity and performance of a Porka Cayenne Turbo S has caught my eye but it would have to be the last of the Gen2 (old) shape to keep within budget. There is one I might be seeing but wanted to ask on here for peoples viewpoints, opinions and possible ownership insight.

Clearly I understand it’s not going to be a cheap car to run - I accept that. But I would be interested in hearing your experiences with one.

Thanks and happy leftover turkey sandwich eating

Jamie

 

[buzyg]

Blimey those things appear cheap to buy. No expert on 4x4s here though. What has drawn you to the Cayanne?

Turkey butty sounds like a grand idea.

 

[Buckz]

Just be prepared for crazy maintenance costs.. as those things go wrong and when they do it'll cost you.

 

[jamiez]

Blimey those things appear cheap to buy. No expert on 4x4s here though. What has drawn you to the Cayanne?

Turkey butty sounds like a grand idea.

Well - 15k ish for a car which once cost 120k isn’t bad going. I understand the later ones are less troublesome and servicing is very reasonable and around 1/3 the cost of an ///M

 

[jamiez]

Just be prepared for crazy maintenance costs.. as those things go wrong and when they do it'll cost you.

Thanks. Anything specific you know of?

 

[Pastry]

I had a Gen 1 3.2 briefly and I loved it although grossly underpowered which yours won’t be! :wink:
Apart from the obvious fuel consumption, consumables for services are expensive. I believe pads last about 10k and discs not much longer Your in 4.8 territory so the cylinder issues with the 4.5 are avoided (and should be). They also have air suspension issues, the compressor I believe.

I think they are a lovely motor and I’ll have a 4.8 one day for sure

 

[jamiez]

I had a Gen 1 3.2 briefly and I loved it although grossly underpowered which yours won’t be! :wink:
Apart from the obvious fuel consumption, consumables for services are expensive. I believe pads last about 10k and discs not much longer Your in 4.8 territory so the cylinder issues with the 4.5 are avoided (and should be). They also have air suspension issues, the compressor I believe.

I think they are a lovely motor and I’ll have a 4.8 one day for sure

Many thanks. Yes I read a bit about the early model issues and ability to chew up brakes and tires.

I next need to confirm if it required any running in inspection or not!

 

[Adam D]

Watching with interest. I’m on the hunt for a 2009 cayenne turbo, surprised you can get an S for that budget from what I’ve seen unless happy to go for quite high mileage (longevity of the turbos is something to look into).

 

[Havard]

Lovely car but I have never been brave enough to run one. Fuel economy alone would have me breaking out in a sweat.

 

[Z4M-2006]

Why not get a GTS instead?

Ok, slightly down on power but look more or less the same
Cheaper to run too

 

[jamiez]

Watching with interest. I’m on the hunt for a 2009 cayenne turbo, surprised you can get an S for that budget from what I’ve seen unless happy to go for quite high mileage (longevity of the turbos is something to look into).

Well - ha! I went to look at the one going for 15995 in the trader and it was very very tired for a premium car. Dings and scrapes on most panels, real tailgate, rear sensor not working, needed back tires, needed a service, all wheels needed a refurb and part main dealer and past specialist history. And yes it was high mileage for an 09 car at 121k.

Once you get into 20k+ arena you can get into a gen 3 cayenne!!

The hunt continues.

 

[jamiez]

Why not get a GTS instead?

Ok, slightly down on power but look more or less the same
Cheaper to run too

Not a bad shout actually. Might have a scour. Akin to the z4m coupe - I love the rareity and bonkers appeal of the turbo s

 

[Z4M-2006]

I very nearly bought a low mile GTS last year

Was a 2010 but pre facelift .. was a nice thing, had everything going for it but my knees knocked at the 11th hour, mainly due to the chance of having high money in a pre facelift

Seems they have held money quite well as it happens

 

[coupedan]

My colleague picked up a 100K mile gen2 Turbo (non-S) last week for £10.5K.. no idea how but he managed to knock the guy down 4.5K because it needs tyres and brakes all round...

I used to work for a Porsche dealership.. this is how I saw the Turbo'd Cayennes:

These are not plagued with the cylinder scoring of the N/A 4.5l V8's
They also do not have coolant pipe issues as the N/A 4.5's do (Intake manifold off job)

The issues they do have are:
Valve chain gaskets can leak = engine out job
Boost pipes can break down after time (pretty rare - but not really any difference in any other Turbo'd car)
Camshaft solenoids can become faulty - throwing an engine check light.
Tailpipe clamps can corrode and your tailpipe will end up pointing at the floor - simple job, cheap to replace the clamps.
Air suspension can fail.. these are the struts which go bang pretty horrifically - mainly from hitting big holes
(Look at this picture - it's the silver ring in the middle that basically explodes ) https://goo.gl/images/ifiVvj
Electric tailgate struts can become weak which means the boot doesn't hold itself up too well.

Stay away from anything with aftermarket / different sized wheels too - this eats the Autobox valvechest which means it's like being punched in the back of the head when changing gear - expensive repair..

Other than that - they are pretty bulletproof and ballistic quick! Very deceiving having something that big and heavy outrunning most things on the road, good chassis control if you have the PDCC (Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control) which is basically electrically adjustable anti-roll bars.

As mentioned above.. if you want the Turbo S.. you will need a mortgage for front discs and pads as they are bigger than the "standard" S
Tyres are very expensive if it is on the 21" GTS alloys as pictured above.

 

[mcbeee]

have you looked at the Macan? I followed one around the track in my Carrera S and was suitably impressed the thing took the twisty bits in great form, i caught it on all the straight sections easily but that is to be expected. Smaller and more agile than the Cayenne, probably a little easier on the wallet too.

 

[Pastry]

have you looked at the Macan? I followed one around the track in my Carrera S and was suitably impressed the thing took the twisty bits in great form, i caught it on all the straight sections easily but that is to be expected. Smaller and more agile than the Cayenne, probably a little easier on the wallet too.

They are a lovely car but the diesel starts around £30k and a petrol around £40k so double what a gen 2 cayenne costs

 

[jamiez]

have you looked at the Macan? I followed one around the track in my Carrera S and was suitably impressed the thing took the twisty bits in great form, i caught it on all the straight sections easily but that is to be expected. Smaller and more agile than the Cayenne, probably a little easier on the wallet too.

They are nice but doesn’t fit in with my requirements for the type of thing I’m looking for

But thanks

 

[jamiez]

My colleague picked up a 100K mile gen2 Turbo (non-S) last week for £10.5K.. no idea how but he managed to knock the guy down 4.5K because it needs tyres and brakes all round...

I used to work for a Porsche dealership.. this is how I saw the Turbo'd Cayennes:

These are not plagued with the cylinder scoring of the N/A 4.5l V8's
They also do not have coolant pipe issues as the N/A 4.5's do (Intake manifold off job)

The issues they do have are:
Valve chain gaskets can leak = engine out job
Boost pipes can break down after time (pretty rare - but not really any difference in any other Turbo'd car)
Camshaft solenoids can become faulty - throwing an engine check light.
Tailpipe clamps can corrode and your tailpipe will end up pointing at the floor - simple job, cheap to replace the clamps.
Air suspension can fail.. these are the struts which go bang pretty horrifically - mainly from hitting big holes
(Look at this picture - it's the silver ring in the middle that basically explodes ) https://goo.gl/images/ifiVvj
Electric tailgate struts can become weak which means the boot doesn't hold itself up too well.

Stay away from anything with aftermarket / different sized wheels too - this eats the Autobox valvechest which means it's like being punched in the back of the head when changing gear - expensive repair..

Other than that - they are pretty bulletproof and ballistic quick! Very deceiving having something that big and heavy outrunning most things on the road, good chassis control if you have the PDCC (Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control) which is basically electrically adjustable anti-roll bars.

As mentioned above.. if you want the Turbo S.. you will need a mortgage for front discs and pads as they are bigger than the "standard" S
Tyres are very expensive if it is on the 21" GTS alloys as pictured above.

This is great info and very helpful talking points subject to some addition research to see how applicable all of these points are to the Turbo S. the things are so rare means it’s hard to find any “forum” info from actual owners.

The brakes is an interesting point. I did a quick ecp look up on a turbo s reg and the most expensive front discs were cheaper than those for our M. Hopefully it didn’t navigate incorrectly. I can imagine dealer prices will be crazy ...

 

[jamiez]

My colleague picked up a 100K mile gen2 Turbo (non-S) last week for £10.5K.. no idea how but he managed to knock the guy down 4.5K because it needs tyres and brakes all round...

I used to work for a Porsche dealership.. this is how I saw the Turbo'd Cayennes:

These are not plagued with the cylinder scoring of the N/A 4.5l V8's
They also do not have coolant pipe issues as the N/A 4.5's do (Intake manifold off job)

The issues they do have are:
Valve chain gaskets can leak = engine out job
Boost pipes can break down after time (pretty rare - but not really any difference in any other Turbo'd car)
Camshaft solenoids can become faulty - throwing an engine check light.
Tailpipe clamps can corrode and your tailpipe will end up pointing at the floor - simple job, cheap to replace the clamps.
Air suspension can fail.. these are the struts which go bang pretty horrifically - mainly from hitting big holes
(Look at this picture - it's the silver ring in the middle that basically explodes ) https://goo.gl/images/ifiVvj
Electric tailgate struts can become weak which means the boot doesn't hold itself up too well.

Stay away from anything with aftermarket / different sized wheels too - this eats the Autobox valvechest which means it's like being punched in the back of the head when changing gear - expensive repair..

Other than that - they are pretty bulletproof and ballistic quick! Very deceiving having something that big and heavy outrunning most things on the road, good chassis control if you have the PDCC (Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control) which is basically electrically adjustable anti-roll bars.

As mentioned above.. if you want the Turbo S.. you will need a mortgage for front discs and pads as they are bigger than the "standard" S
Tyres are very expensive if it is on the 21" GTS alloys as pictured above.

This is great info and very helpful talking points subject to some addition research to see how applicable all of these points are to the Turbo S. the things are so rare means it’s hard to find any “forum” info from actual owners.

The brakes is an interesting point. I did a quick ecp look up on a turbo s reg and the most expensive front discs were cheaper than those for our M. Hopefully it didn’t navigate incorrectly. I can imagine dealer prices will be crazy ...

Oh and what year was your mates?

 

[coupedan]

This is great info and very helpful talking points subject to some addition research to see how applicable all of these points are to the Turbo S. the things are so rare means it’s hard to find any “forum” info from actual owners.

The brakes is an interesting point. I did a quick ecp look up on a turbo s reg and the most expensive front discs were cheaper than those for our M. Hopefully it didn’t navigate incorrectly. I can imagine dealer prices will be crazy ...

I think there is a conversion from two piece discs to a single piece which may be the ECP's version.

I think dealer prices are just over £1000 per disc ex pads ex labour