2006 '56' Z4m Coupe - Interlagos Blue - 65k

[JimmiVW]

[ref]JimmiVW[/ref], How accurate is the comment “Every panel was deeply scratched beyond the point of being saved by anything less than a full body respray”?

The comments do seem a bit harsh, particularly about the car being “shockingly tatty”. It looks really good to me in the photos, and as you say a fair price for a pristine 65k Z4C is probably north of £20k.

In my opinion I do not feel the car is in need of a respray and I am disappointed by the comments, however I really don’t want to get into a tit for tat conversation.

I have just driven the car 22 miles to work, where it will get a rinse off and go back into my workshop. The video below was shot just now, prior to a wash and with the road dirt from the journey. Although it is very hard to show close detail on a video, I really do not feel this is a car that warrants a respray.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/1uaWRkMzsmg[/youtube]

On the points regarding the detail to hide these scratches, I personally gave the car a polish and wax two weeks ago, so it certainly hasn’t had a pro job to hide anything.

 

[tomscott]

[ref]JimmiVW[/ref], How accurate is the comment “Every panel was deeply scratched beyond the point of being saved by anything less than a full body respray”?

The comments do seem a bit harsh, particularly about the car being “shockingly tatty”. It looks really good to me in the photos, and as you say a fair price for a pristine 65k Z4C is probably north of £20k.

In my opinion I do not feel the car is in need of a respray and I am disappointed by the comments, however I really don’t want to get into a tit for tat conversation.

I have just driven the car 22 miles to work, where it will get a rinse off and go back into my workshop. The video below was shot just now, prior to a wash and with the road dirt from the journey. Although it is very hard to show close detail on a video, I really do not feel this is a car that warrants a respray.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/1uaWRkMzsmg[/youtube]

TBH the car looks in a condition I would expect. These cars are low and are inherently more susceptible to chips and scratches on the front end. Rare to see a front end that hasn't been resprayed at some point. Even if it needs it the bumper and bonnet probs £600ish.

At the end of the day if its a driver not a garage queen it will happen again.

Mine was in very similar condition as was 65k too but it was amazing how much was removed with the DA then I painted in the chips and blended with the DA.

Had my Z4MC front bumper resprayed at about 50k as it was peppered.

 

[R60BBA]

[ref]JimmiVW[/ref], How accurate is the comment “Every panel was deeply scratched beyond the point of being saved by anything less than a full body respray”?

The comments do seem a bit harsh, particularly about the car being “shockingly tatty”. It looks really good to me in the photos, and as you say a fair price for a pristine 65k Z4C is probably north of £20k.

In my opinion I do not feel the car is in need of a respray and I am disappointed by the comments, however I really don’t want to get into a tit for tat conversation.

I have just driven the car 22 miles to work, where it will get a rinse off and go back into my workshop. The video below was shot just now, prior to a wash and with the road dirt from the journey. Although it is very hard to show close detail on a video, I really do not feel this is a car that warrants a respray.

[youtube]https://youtu.be/1uaWRkMzsmg[/youtube]

On the points regarding the detail to hide these scratches, I personally gave the car a polish and wax two weeks ago, so it certainly hasn’t had a pro job to hide anything.

Doesn’t even look that bad, although you can never really tell from pictures / videos.

Would suggest respraying the front bumper and getting car detailed (ie deep cleaned [inside and out], machine polished and waxed) - so it is essentially prepped for sale.

Will cost you £500-800 but should make the sale a lot easier.

Alternatively put it up on Collecting Cars with a reserve and see what it goes for.

Good luck

 

[James McDonald]

The car looks stunning in the pictures and videos, it needs to be seen in the flesh to understand my comments. The paint is scratched beyond repair, the only potential cause of this damage that I can think of is that it has been incorrectly washed with something hard or abrasive, the scratches are not swirl marks but look to have been caused by back and forth movement of something hard over the paint and extend to every panel.

I too do not want to get into a tit for tat conversation and understand the price is attractive, I am just disappointed that I was not made aware of the damage prior to undertaking my trip. My expectations of the car were not unrealistically high, I understand used cars have lived a life and will always have cosmetic blemishes, stone chips, small scuffs etc. Unfortunately, this Z4m coupe has sustained permanent damage to the paint at some point in its life which can not be categorised as normal wear and tear.

I would have purchased the car if it wasn't for the unusual damage, after enjoying my 3.0 Z4 coupe for the last 2 years I am set on getting a Z4m Coupe to replace it and have been itching to get my hands on one for some time now. It genuinely took a lot to walk away from what is in essence a dream car of mine.

 

[R60BBA]

The car looks stunning in the pictures and videos, it needs to be seen in the flesh to understand my comments. The paint is scratched beyond repair, the only potential cause of this damage that I can think of is that it has been incorrectly washed with something hard or abrasive, the scratches are not swirl marks but look to have been caused by back and forth movement of something hard over the paint and extend to every panel.

I too do not want to get into a tit for tat conversation and understand the price is attractive, I am just disappointed that I was not made aware of the damage prior to undertaking my trip. My expectations of the car were not unrealistically high, I understand used cars have lived a life and will always have cosmetic blemishes, stone chips, small scuffs etc. Unfortunately, this Z4m coupe has sustained permanent damage to the paint at some point in its life which can not be categorised as normal wear and tear.

I would have purchased the car if it wasn't for the unusual damage, after enjoying my 3.0 Z4 coupe for the last 2 years I am set on getting a Z4m Coupe to replace it and have been itching to get my hands on one for some time now. It genuinely took a lot to walk away from what is in essence a dream car of mine.

Have you got photos of the scratches you are talking about?

 

[Pondy]

I am very sorry that you feel this way, we did have numerous conversations about the condition of the vehicle, that I felt it was in good condition for the age, not mint but fair and reasonable at the price.
I provided you with numerous photos and videos prior to your trip and we did speak a number of times.
I do not feel that I have mislead you about the condition and I am sincerely sorry if you feel this was malicious in anyway. That was not my intention at all.

For any other prospective buyers, I am open to conversations and will send as much information, photos and videos as I can prior to viewing. I do not have any intention to mislead.

Best regards, James

What a great response. Top stuff IMO. These type of threads can so easily deteriorate into a slagging match (understandably IMHO).
If you don't work in Public Relations already I think there is a calling.
There are some very clever 'paint correction' people around nowadays, if needed.
GLWTS.

 

[golfgeezer]

Just goes to show the importance of viewing a potential purchase in person. My first Z4 I went to view and wasn’t disappointed. My second I didn’t but another forum member viewed on my behalf and gave an honest appraisal of it so I was happy to proceed. This is slightly more risky as one mans excellent condition could be another mans rot box. Luckily it turned out fine. My next Z4 I’ll go and view in person as long as the deal is realistic and fair of course.
I’ve bought many a motorbike long distance based on description and pics/video alone. 95% of the time it’s worked out well but there’s been one or two that I’d not have bought if I’d been standing in front of it.
If I was in the market for a Z4MC none of the above posts would put me off. If I was interested I’d go and view it and make up my own mind

 

[Simon 3.2M]

I purchased my MC last March, it too was attractively priced. The draw was the recent rod bearings, vanos refresh, KWv3s and ARC8s - the kicker was the 121k on the clock (depending on your point of view) When I first saw the car it popped somewhat however, up close you could see the paint needed some attention. That said, these cars are 17yrs old and as mentioned, will have paint issues unless they have been resprayed. What is worth noting in this instance is that Interlagos blue is a difficult colour in that it shows every blemish - stone chips on the lower part of the bumper almost make it look grey. I’ve corrected it but ultimately she needs some paint, probably to the tune of £1500. My Imola roadster also looked like it had been washed with sandpaper - 4 days later, the paint came up like glass, Imola hides a lot of imperfections.
To play devils advocate, you could argue there’s a £2000 paint job required. At 65k the bearings and vanos may need refreshing £2-2500.
£18k plus 4k is still 2k less than the others advertised but once sorted, you’d have a very nice MC.

 

[SV8Predator]

To play devils advocate, you could argue there’s a £2000 paint job required.

A £2000 paint job? That wouldn't be any better than what he has now. A car like that needs a decent paint job.

 

[Simon 3.2M]

To play devils advocate, you could argue there’s a £2000 paint job required.

A £2000 paint job? That wouldn't be any better than what he has now. A car like that needs a decent paint job.

I’m not a paint expert, it was just a guess as to making it or getting it to an acceptable level? I suspect a “decent” paint job is 4,5,6k?

 

[Z450]

To play devils advocate, you could argue there’s a £2000 paint job required.

A £2000 paint job? That wouldn't be any better than what he has now. A car like that needs a decent paint job.

There is no saying the car needs a full respray, could be certain panels.

There is a lot of speculation with this car, I hope the seller finds a buyer soon

 

[True-Blue]

This car could be a bargain for someone.

I’ve personally resurrected some terrible paintwork in the past, that most would think is beyond hope. It’s amazing what can be achieved with the right kit, experience and patience.

I’m not in the market for an E86, but if I was I’d be asking for photo’s of the paint and I’d make the effort to view. If I was nearer I’d go an have a look and offer to do a ‘test spot’

O.P. Have a look at page two of this thread, are the scratches any worse than the scratches that were on the bonnet of my E89 when I bought it? There’s also a before & after photo for this area.

https://z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1919432&hilit=Project+eight#p1919432

 

[tomscott]

This car could be a bargain for someone.

I’ve personally resurrected some terrible paintwork in the past, that most would think is beyond hope. It’s amazing what can be achieved with the right kit, experience and patience.

I’m not in the market for an E86, but if I was I’d be asking for photo’s of the paint and I’d make the effort to view. If I was nearer I’d go an have a look and offer to do a ‘test spot’

O.P. Have a look at page two of this thread, are the scratches any worse than the scratches that were on the bonnet of my E89 when I bought it? There’s also a before & after photo for this area.

https://z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=1919432&hilit=Project+eight#p1919432

Completely agree.

Was very similar with my imola M, I dont agree with previous comments of imola hides anything its awful imo. Took a lot of work and I did a very similar process to your thread above and it came up a treat

It's all down to preference. Driver vs garage queen. You could spend 6k having a paint job then not want to drive it with worry of damage. 65k isnt a lot but its not low either so I would buy with the intention of enjoying it thoroughly as that enjoyment will certainly damage it further with the low slung design of the car.

Amazing the results you can get with touch up and the correct process of application and blending.

 

[R60BBA]

To play devils advocate, you could argue there’s a £2000 paint job required.

A £2000 paint job? That wouldn't be any better than what he has now. A car like that needs a decent paint job.

I’m not a paint expert, it was just a guess as to making it or getting it to an acceptable level? I suspect a “decent” paint job is 4,5,6k?

Full respray done properly (ie glass out etc), starts from £5,000.

Highly doubt this car will need that though (unless it is to be stored as a garage queen).

As previously mentioned, respraying the front bumper and a good mop should suffice.

Let’s also not forget that when respraying a car things can go wrong (resulting in back and forth with the bodyshop which can be quite cumbersome). Also that respray paint will not last as long as factory paint (more often than not it is softer, which means stonechips come back quicker!)

I’ve seen many cars that have been repainted, and can count on my hands how many have been done to a standard that is as good as or ‘better’ than factory paint.

It’s a personal thing for me but I would only repaint a car if it was really bad (ie rusting) and could be garaged thereafter. Repainting a car which will be parked on the drive makes no sense whatsoever.

As mentioned by others this looks like a useable example. Not one to be repainted and stored as a garage queen.

Collecting Cars with a reserve (as mentioned) is probably the best way to go on this.