2 generations of proper M Cars
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Interesting thread!
I think the purists will never accept a real M car with a turbo engine no matter how good it is?
Ive just picked up a 240 which has got the new b58 engine and what an engine it is but it doesn't give the same feeling as the s54 no matter how fast it is?
I think for me that a true M car is based on feeling?
I think the purists will never accept a real M car with a turbo engine no matter how good it is?
Ive just picked up a 240 which has got the new b58 engine and what an engine it is but it doesn't give the same feeling as the s54 no matter how fast it is?
I think for me that a true M car is based on feeling?
I'm a somewhat of a purist and used to be also like that until I drove a 1M and M2....on paper they may no be real M cars, but they feel like the real, exiting deal...even with turbo engines. A Porsche 991 GT3 with PDK feels also like a real Porsche GT even if it does not have a Mezger engine and PDK only. On the other hand; the new 4 cilinder turbo Cayman/Boxster is not a true Porsche for me anymore and I don't get it who would want to buy a 4 cilinder P-car... :roll:RedUn said:
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M2 
gorgeous looking car
gorgeous looking carIf BMW call it an M car then it is an M car as far as I'm concerned. They get to decide which cars are M and which are not. So they had an S series engine in them in the past.... Times change and that isn't always the case anymore.
BTW love the M2! Looks like a modern day E46 M3 to me
BTW love the M2! Looks like a modern day E46 M3 to me
What I have problems with on the later M cars is the clumsy, cartoonish design language. They seem designed by kids, for kids.
"Look at me I'm the angriest!"
Compared to any bangle-era car like our Z4M or older, they just loose out even before we start talking engine's or computer game-ish fake exhaust notes from the bloody speakers..
My two cents!
"Look at me I'm the angriest!"
Compared to any bangle-era car like our Z4M or older, they just loose out even before we start talking engine's or computer game-ish fake exhaust notes from the bloody speakers..
My two cents!
Correct...for me personally I had this feeling more with the 1M then with the M2. M2 looks still angry but more mature. The look grow on me and now I rather like how the car looks. But the looks are not the main reason I bought my M2...the way it drives (for that price) is the main reason I bought mine. ASD is indeed stupid; so I disabled itArgenta said:What I have problems with on the later M cars is the clumsy, cartoonish design language. They seem designed by kids, for kids.
"Look at me I'm the angriest!"
Compared to any bangle-era car like our Z4M or older, they just loose out even before we start talking engine's or computer game-ish fake exhaust notes from the bloody speakers..
My two cents!
Liverpool
I was obviously taking the piss earlier, as I don't by the car for the M badge, but for the performance. It was just that I wanted the most powerful model of a specific series and the M happened to be it for the BMW range. When I bought my first e34 M5, I was also looking at Audi RS4/RS6, C43/E55 AMG, Jag XJR, etc.
You could say anything that didn't/doesn't have a variation of the original M1 engine isn't really an 'M car' - but then you'd get all the e30 M3 fans up in arms - and the M1 didn't even have an 'S' series engine, it was an M88, which then went on to become the S38 as used in the e28 M5, e24 M6 and e34 M5 (3.6 & 3.8 versions) - so you could say only those were true M-cars.
You could go on and on with different arguments to validate your specific little opinion, but it wouldn't make any of them correct - as we all know the M stands for 'Marketing' and not Motorsport. As none of the original M-cars could ever be used for motorsport without some serious modifications, and were just an opportunity to sell 'sports cars' on the back of BMW motorsport success. I suppose you could argue that some of the newer GTS/GT4 models are closer to the race cars, but they still have their creature comforts for the road.
What does piss me off though is the way BMW apply their 'M tax' despite the parts/cars being made in exactly the same place as non-M cars, and the service monkeys essentially carrying out the same job and charging twice the price :thumbsdown:
I'd hate to think how much a normal, modern M-car would be if it was still hand-built though
You could say anything that didn't/doesn't have a variation of the original M1 engine isn't really an 'M car' - but then you'd get all the e30 M3 fans up in arms - and the M1 didn't even have an 'S' series engine, it was an M88, which then went on to become the S38 as used in the e28 M5, e24 M6 and e34 M5 (3.6 & 3.8 versions) - so you could say only those were true M-cars.
You could go on and on with different arguments to validate your specific little opinion, but it wouldn't make any of them correct - as we all know the M stands for 'Marketing' and not Motorsport. As none of the original M-cars could ever be used for motorsport without some serious modifications, and were just an opportunity to sell 'sports cars' on the back of BMW motorsport success. I suppose you could argue that some of the newer GTS/GT4 models are closer to the race cars, but they still have their creature comforts for the road.
What does piss me off though is the way BMW apply their 'M tax' despite the parts/cars being made in exactly the same place as non-M cars, and the service monkeys essentially carrying out the same job and charging twice the price :thumbsdown:
I'd hate to think how much a normal, modern M-car would be if it was still hand-built though
I love the look of both the 1M and the M2, bit ott, yes but I like that!Franzino said:Correct...for me personally I had this feeling more with the 1M then with the M2. M2 looks still angry but more mature. The look grow on me and now I rather like how the car looks. But the looks are not the main reason I bought my M2...the way it drives (for that price) is the main reason I bought mine. ASD is indeed stupid; so I disabled itArgenta said:What I have problems with on the later M cars is the clumsy, cartoonish design language. They seem designed by kids, for kids.
"Look at me I'm the angriest!"
Compared to any bangle-era car like our Z4M or older, they just loose out even before we start talking engine's or computer game-ish fake exhaust notes from the bloody speakers..
My two cents!
I would of loved a 1M to go along side the zed but I couldn't justify putting 10-15k miles a year on one, doesn't seem right to me anyway.
How do you disable the ASD?
I'm completely with you, not saying they aren't true M cars just saying the scope has changed just like with the GT3s to make them more saleable and easier to drive etc.Franzino said:
I can't agree more about the 4 cylinder porsches though, I mean I can accept putting a turbo on for the efficiency etc but it needs to be at least 6 cylinders so that it feels different?
Lovely cars despite the ensuing arguments about whether or not the current generation M's are really M's...
In my MINI JCW I used the Carly App...
It also gives me options for a M1/M2, M3/M4 or erm.... Bentley v12 not sure who I'd be fooling though.
I just turned it off as it gave me a headache
RedUn said:
In my MINI JCW I used the Carly App...
It also gives me options for a M1/M2, M3/M4 or erm.... Bentley v12
not sure who I'd be fooling though.I just turned it off as it gave me a headache
gannet said:Lovely cars despite the ensuing arguments about whether or not the current generation M's are really M's...
RedUn said:
In my MINI JCW I used the Carly App...
It also gives me options for a M1/M2, M3/M4 or erm.... Bentley v12
I just turned it off as it gave me a headache
Wtf is the carly app!? Haha
Sounds like I need to spend some time on Google
RedUn said:gannet said:Lovely cars despite the ensuing arguments about whether or not the current generation M's are really M's...
RedUn said:
In my MINI JCW I used the Carly App...
It also gives me options for a M1/M2, M3/M4 or erm.... Bentley v12
I just turned it off as it gave me a headache
Wtf is the carly app!? Haha
Sounds like I need to spend some time on Google
doesn't take long if you google 'carly app'...
but for your convenience and anyone else looking who hasnt heard about it: Carly App
