1st Feb , , 1st drive in 4th ZMR / thoughts
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Without question its a backward step, similar year, similar miles similar na power but totally different machines.JoshsZ4M said:
The 997 the best all round weekend car I've owned, every minute memorable & just so easy to get on with.
The ZM by comparison is gruff & rudimentary in every department , you really have to wrestle the best from them.
Regrets switching? No not really.
It wasn't planned or intended but this ZM wafted under my nose with a few issues to sort , ive enjoyed my previous ones so bought it.
Porsche ownership is a strange one, very special cars to own (especially the 911) but there is a noticeable paranioa weighing on the mind
only really apparent watching the new owner drive away in the C4 , I looked on with a bigger feeling of relief than regret if that makes sense :? Happy that I enjoyed 3000miles in the 7 months & only spent on a interim oil change.As for what's next when time comes :wink: not a clue right now
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AndyBeech said:
But the reality is that a carbon airbox costs much more than an aftermarket or custom backbox.
Not to mention if you do it properly you have to remap the car which is something most enthusiasts wouldn’t exactly be keen on.
I accept that the likes of Eventuri and Gruppe M offer that halfway house between stock airbox and CSL carbon box however they’re massively overpriced and can also decrease performance due to heat soak.
As I maintain the stock box is good enough. If you want more roar buy a CSL.
mr wilks said:Been over a year since i last drove a S54 Z4
The car was bought Dec 2019 without driving it & transported home , garaged on trickle charge & not moved until todayI should have known what to expect but still surprised me just how raw & visceral these cars are , the throttle is urgent to say the least & the whole car is totally unrefined but in a good way :wink: 2nd -3rd still does the trick if you want to feel & hear the S54 doing its thing
Weather permitting i'l put some proper miles in tomorrow through the Dales .
The 997 may have gone but for now i have no regrets
Glad to see you back in a Z. As well as the help you have given me re:wheels and tyres you have proved a great asset when justifying my car changing habits. Whenever my wife expresses concern about how often I change I use you as an example of how reasonable I am. So far I have had close to sixty cars over the years. Keep up the good work. :wink:
R60BBA said:
I couldn't agree less, but as its opinion and personal preference we'll agree to disagree. :lol: If you like stock then you've saved some money at least!
Obviously a full carbon airbox setup is more expensive than an exhaust set up but the half way houses, which I would suggest are more than halfway - around 70% sound wise or so of a carbon set up, are much less than an decent branded exhaust. Not sure what enthusiasts not being keen on a remap means...
Exhausts to me don't sound that distinctive on these (not bad, just not as distinctive), the induction sound however much more so.
Slightly spurious generic statement, like saying an exhaust upgrade can decrease performance due to back pressure loss. I've never had any issues personally, which is the only information I can offer on that. I would *imagine* though the loses are so minimal if they do exist wouldn't lose any sleep over it or really even notice, I guess mileage may vary with that depending how sensitive you are to differences.
Either way, both are good upgrades, not worth arguing about. All down to personal preference and what people deem as value for money, no real cheap upgrades on these sadly.
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mr wilks said:Porsche ownership is a strange one, very special cars to own (especially the 911) but there is a noticeable paranioa weighing on the mind
This is precisely why I wouldn't touch an older 911.
greg81 said:mr wilks said:Porsche ownership is a strange one, very special cars to own (especially the 911) but there is a noticeable paranioa weighing on the mind
This is precisely why I wouldn't touch an older 911.
Then you will miss out on owning what must be one of the quintessential sports cars of the past 20-40 years .
Ive had a 964 , 996 & the 997 , cracking on either mway speed or in the bends there is little to mirror the feel of a flat 6 pushing you from behind
i really can't imagine the same from a 4 pot turbo version 
As for which model you buy ? Unless its new or at least within a OPC warranty it doesn't really matter which Porsche you buy :| the paranoia comes with the brand
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Oh I have no doubt the 911 is an experience for sure but I just don't have the constitution for it.
Newer, with a long warranty just works better for disappointingly weak self
Newer, with a long warranty just works better for disappointingly weak self
greg81 said:Oh I have no doubt the 911 is an experience for sure but I just don't have the constitution for it.
Newer, with a long warranty just works better for disappointingly weak self
I totally get that , the paranoia is real , you just learn to live with it
a bit like poking your arm through the bars to feed a lion 
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mr wilks said:greg81 said:Oh I have no doubt the 911 is an experience for sure but I just don't have the constitution for it.
Newer, with a long warranty just works better for disappointingly weak self
I totally get that , the paranoia is real , you just learn to live with it
Maybe one day I'll be man enough!
mr wilks said:Without question its a backward step, similar year, similar miles similar na power but totally different machines.JoshsZ4M said:
The 997 the best all round weekend car I've owned, every minute memorable & just so easy to get on with.
The ZM by comparison is gruff & rudimentary in every department , you really have to wrestle the best from them.
Regrets switching? No not really.
It wasn't planned or intended but this ZM wafted under my nose with a few issues to sort , ive enjoyed my previous ones so bought it.
Porsche ownership is a strange one, very special cars to own (especially the 911) but there is a noticeable paranioa weighing on the mind
As for what's next when time comes :wink: not a clue right now
I hear you completely. I know I’ll never sell my Z now (of my own freewill anyway), but if I ever end up being lucky enough to dry store two cars, I feel like a 997 is an itch I’ll need to scratch. I think you’re right that the worry of an extremely expensive bill can cause anxieties which shouldn’t occur with enjoying a weekend/fun car.
Good luck with the new one and hope to catch you at a meet sometime!
Drove a gt3RS around DXB atrodrome a few months back again on the club circuit. Such a nice car.. soo nice.. but soo different from the z4m..
I didnt push it /that/ hard as it was my mates car, but holy smokes, soo easy to drive, i had quicker lap times in this thing after 2 laps than ive ever had in my Z4m, and i got out of the thing like i went for a sunday stroll (yeah you can call me cool hand Luke)
The Z4m, on the other hand, is hard to drive, it punishes you for every little mistake you make, and it punishes you hard. i get out of my car after 6 laps and i feel ive just gone 6 rounds with Mike Tyson, T shirt (and undies) soaked with sweat beacuse your physically wresteling the car around EVERY corner. and when you get it right... its so rewarding (but still slower lap times than my mate who cant drive for s**t) and you get out of the car with a grin that you cant wipe from your face for the next 2 days. Its like that fightclub, its your own little secret that you dont wanna share with anyone else.
Lol, my friend thinks he is a super good driver, and the RS is just /THAT/ good, it will make a shitty driver feel like a F1 champ, seriously the car /IS/ that good, and if you get it new, its backed by thier warrenty that even covers the engine while on track.. no one else does that.. no one... the 911/977 platform is just /THAT/ good.. Its an awesome package and would absolutely be unbeatable if you get someone in it who can actually peddle. If i had room for another car in my shed, id for sure as s**t buy a GT2.. without a doubt, for mixed road/track use id buy that all day long , every day.. without a doubt..
The Z4m however, even though my lap times are slower than my mate, leaves you feeling with a sense of accomplishment and satisfaction, esp if you get a lap or 2 in there with it all just comes together.. yes its hard work, fer sure, and yes, it will try to kill you if you dont watch ourt what your doing or have a momentary slip of your concentration, but if both cars would be available to peddle around the track, id get in my Z4m over the gt3rs anytime.
(I have to also make mention of something else that stood out, the PDK in the 911, is just UTTERLY AMAZING, it really is a work of art to behold and to use.. i seriously couldent fault the car, its flawless, maybe a little too flawless thats the only thing...)
Andy, congrats on the new car mate, she looks awesome. very nice package that roady. oh and again, welcome back, even though you never left
Love the aero and the black OEMS mate, it looks prime.
I didnt push it /that/ hard as it was my mates car, but holy smokes, soo easy to drive, i had quicker lap times in this thing after 2 laps than ive ever had in my Z4m, and i got out of the thing like i went for a sunday stroll (yeah you can call me cool hand Luke)
The Z4m, on the other hand, is hard to drive, it punishes you for every little mistake you make, and it punishes you hard. i get out of my car after 6 laps and i feel ive just gone 6 rounds with Mike Tyson, T shirt (and undies) soaked with sweat beacuse your physically wresteling the car around EVERY corner. and when you get it right... its so rewarding (but still slower lap times than my mate who cant drive for s**t) and you get out of the car with a grin that you cant wipe from your face for the next 2 days. Its like that fightclub, its your own little secret that you dont wanna share with anyone else.
Lol, my friend thinks he is a super good driver, and the RS is just /THAT/ good, it will make a shitty driver feel like a F1 champ, seriously the car /IS/ that good, and if you get it new, its backed by thier warrenty that even covers the engine while on track.. no one else does that.. no one... the 911/977 platform is just /THAT/ good.. Its an awesome package and would absolutely be unbeatable if you get someone in it who can actually peddle. If i had room for another car in my shed, id for sure as s**t buy a GT2.. without a doubt, for mixed road/track use id buy that all day long , every day.. without a doubt..
The Z4m however, even though my lap times are slower than my mate, leaves you feeling with a sense of accomplishment and satisfaction, esp if you get a lap or 2 in there with it all just comes together.. yes its hard work, fer sure, and yes, it will try to kill you if you dont watch ourt what your doing or have a momentary slip of your concentration, but if both cars would be available to peddle around the track, id get in my Z4m over the gt3rs anytime.
(I have to also make mention of something else that stood out, the PDK in the 911, is just UTTERLY AMAZING, it really is a work of art to behold and to use.. i seriously couldent fault the car, its flawless, maybe a little too flawless thats the only thing...)
Andy, congrats on the new car mate, she looks awesome. very nice package that roady. oh and again, welcome back, even though you never left
Love the aero and the black OEMS mate, it looks prime.
Vanne, have a go in a 996 RS if you ever get the chance, they are like the z4m on steroids and not easy to drive quick at all
In my opinion, the newer RS models although hugely accomplished and aggressive looking don't drive like an RS, you can drive them down a b road without risk of dieing, what's all thst about!
In my opinion, the newer RS models although hugely accomplished and aggressive looking don't drive like an RS, you can drive them down a b road without risk of dieing, what's all thst about!
Hi Guys,
Enjoyed the thread; I'm a relative new member who said hello when I got my MC in October time but haven't posted since. I agree with the 'visceral / raw' statement having come from a 997 turbo. Amazing car if you want check your emails in silence at 135 mph but outside of the out and out performance / engineering at slow speeds it does nothing to stir the senses. I looked at sports exhaust but Porsche warranty put pay to that. Moving on it was a toss-up between a 997 GTS and the MC and I'm loving the rawness of the MC. My wife had a 3 ltr roadster then coupe, the last some five years ago - we had amazing fun in both, always loved the shape of the coupe hence the MC.
Main reason for this response is the mention of the carbon air box. Mentioned are the Gruppe, Geoff Steele+alpha-n, Eventuri and CA Technologies(?). I'm really interested in opinions of what is best to go for - I prefer induction over exhaust, better sound (IMO) and increased noise with revs as opposed to exhaust, which is there from the get-go.
I'm sure this has been debated many times before so happy to be pointed to another thread if applicable - thanks.
Hoping to contribute more going forward, and to meet some of you guys in the future.
Tony
Enjoyed the thread; I'm a relative new member who said hello when I got my MC in October time but haven't posted since. I agree with the 'visceral / raw' statement having come from a 997 turbo. Amazing car if you want check your emails in silence at 135 mph but outside of the out and out performance / engineering at slow speeds it does nothing to stir the senses. I looked at sports exhaust but Porsche warranty put pay to that. Moving on it was a toss-up between a 997 GTS and the MC and I'm loving the rawness of the MC. My wife had a 3 ltr roadster then coupe, the last some five years ago - we had amazing fun in both, always loved the shape of the coupe hence the MC.
Main reason for this response is the mention of the carbon air box. Mentioned are the Gruppe, Geoff Steele+alpha-n, Eventuri and CA Technologies(?). I'm really interested in opinions of what is best to go for - I prefer induction over exhaust, better sound (IMO) and increased noise with revs as opposed to exhaust, which is there from the get-go.
I'm sure this has been debated many times before so happy to be pointed to another thread if applicable - thanks.
Hoping to contribute more going forward, and to meet some of you guys in the future.
Tony
TonyS993 said:
Glad you have taken to the S54 , the induction is a big part of it , my own experience is limited to the Eventuri & GruppeM ( £600-£750) , of the two i would choose the Gruppe , the other choices you mention require the budget to be significantly higher .
Vanne said:Andy, congrats on the new car mate, she looks awesome. very nice package that roady. oh and again, welcome back, even though you never left
Love the aero and the black OEMS mate, it looks prime.
Thanks mate , enjoying it so far
the black 224s ive done as a temporary measure whilst i have the CSLs refurbed & source some rubber for them . Ins2 this week should pick up any other issues that need sorting , backboxes are in the frame too then its just more miles & more smiles
Had a swift 30 min outing today before the rain kicked in again
