19s rubbing question

Commando_Rob

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 London
Morning all, have noticed my 19s are rubbing on the front inner arches on both sides only at the front where the wheel turns in, is there anyway of stopping this?

Running 225/35/19 8.5j on the fronts. Eibach sports springs
 
Commando_Rob said:
Morning all, have noticed my 19s are rubbing on the front inner arches on both sides only at the front where the wheel turns in, is there anyway of stopping this?

Running 225/35/19 8.5j on the fronts. Eibach sports springs

You could refit the standard springs for more clearance? :?
Rob
 
If they are rubbing on the inside, would a spacer solve it by pushing the wheel outwards slightly. Maybe 10mm ?

Ideally you need to check the offset of the wheels you’re running against the OEM off set of ET47 on an 8Jx18 wheel and see how far adrift you are.

Look it up on ‘ will they fit.com ‘
 
I ran the same set up on eibachs but with an offset of ET35 and no issues so mine sat 3mm further out than yours.
Perhaps 5mm spacers would do the trick?
 
Dav, I have read people have issues with rubbing up front with 8,5x19 ET 35, how is that?
I asked a guy once and he said his 8,5x19 235/35 up front and NO RUBBING:
https://z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=116139
On BBS site we hace this:
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3mm spacers will fix your problem. I run 8,5x19 ET34 with 225/35-19 Michelin PSS with no rubbing. And I have H&R springs that lowers even more than the Eibachs. Only mod Ive done is pulled the pins from the guide supports to get a little more negative camber.
First I had 235/35 but it rubbed like crazy on the outer inside of the lining. Just where the front bumper is fastened to the front side panels.

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Then fitting 235/35 on offset 35 front will rub :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
Keeping in mind we are talking about michelin pss (which bascially have rectangular tyre edge).
225/35 on 8,5 are stretched too much I guess. BMW have beed doing 255 on 8,5).
This guy:
https://z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=86990&p=1285956&hilit=235%2F35#p1285956
Yeah they will be fine. Mine are 34 ET and 37 ET. I have 235/35/19 on the front and 265/30/19 on the rear and have had no rubbing what so ever, I'm also lowered on eibachs.
I am so confused.
 
Panta Rhei said:
Then fitting 235/35 on offset 35 front will rub :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
Keeping in mind we are talking about michelin pss (which bascially have rectangular tyre edge).
225/35 on 8,5 are stretched too much I guess. BMW have beed doing 255 on 8,5).
This guy:
https://z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=86990&p=1285956&hilit=235%2F35#p1285956
Yeah they will be fine. Mine are 34 ET and 37 ET. I have 235/35/19 on the front and 265/30/19 on the rear and have had no rubbing what so ever, I'm also lowered on eibachs.
I am so confused.

Yes you are correct. The Michelins are very rectangular and wider compared to some other brands in same dimensions.
PS4S are even wider. I saw this when I changed from PSS to PS4S in the rear. Same dimensions but it started to rub slightly on the inside.
 
Panta Rhei said:
Then fitting 235/35 on offset 35 front will rub :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
Keeping in mind we are talking about michelin pss (which bascially have rectangular tyre edge).
225/35 on 8,5 are stretched too much I guess. BMW have beed doing 255 on 8,5).
This guy:
https://z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=86990&p=1285956&hilit=235%2F35#p1285956
Yeah they will be fine. Mine are 34 ET and 37 ET. I have 235/35/19 on the front and 265/30/19 on the rear and have had no rubbing what so ever, I'm also lowered on eibachs.
I am so confused.

It’s not that confusing, it’s just that there are a few variables at play.

Simply put, there isn’t a huge amount of room in the front arches and the design of the arch liners mean that anything beyond a moderate increase in width will generally cause some degree of catching on the liner, usually just behind where the headlight, wing and bumper come together, on the outside edge.

If you use the standard 18 inch wheel and offsets as your baseline (so, 8J and ET47) and assume a 225 section width tyre, anything that causes the wheel to stick out 15mm and above, risks causing rubbing. If your car isn’t lowered beyond M-Sport level, you may get away with more than 15mm, but if you are on Eibachs (for instance, as I am) you will (in my experience) be lucky to avoid rubbing with +15mm. On my slightly tired 70K original dampers, 13mm wider 18's caused some light catching. Changing to new shockers stopped it.

You can use https://www.willtheyfit.com/ to mess around with wheel width, diameter and offset, and it will tell you amongst other things, how far out your new set up will cause the wheels to extend beyond your current set up.

Variables are many, but perhaps explain why some people get rubbing and others don’t even on apparently similar setups. Typical critical variables include the condition of your springs and shocks - if they are worn, your car may be riding a little lower, or the shocks may not stop the suspension compression soon enough to avoid rubbing. Suspension alignment, for example how much camber you are running, will have an impact - more camber will tuck the wheels in at the top, which may help to avoid rubbing. It may also depend on the roads you typically drive on - straight, smooth roads may not induce the sort of movement in your suspension that results in rubbing - typically it happens on full compression or tight bends taken at speed. It may even just come down to the manufacturing tolerances of individual cars.

If you suffer from catching on the liner, there are a few things you can try; raise the height of the car (different springs, coil overs, thicker spring pads etc) or change the tyres - running a narrower section will change the cross sectional profile of the wheel and give you a few extra millimetres of clearance - hence the references to changing from 235 to 225 or even 215 section tyres. You can sometimes get the same effect from changing tyre brand (some have squarer shoulders than others) or use part-worn tyres, which will have lost a few mm.

If you do get tyre rubbing, as long as you haven’t pushed things to the extreme, you should be able to adjust things to relieve it - it just may take a bit of trial and error.
 
I understand what you mean. But often use the site you mentioned. But there is no reason for using it if you cannot compare two sets you have applied to your car - thats because you do not have any reference to that. You just simply cannot make use of this calc.
I can because I did put 224s to my non m 3.0si with standard rubber (non M sized). Not slightly rub at all.
Now I know the limits for example of my car. I can manouver between those two sets (OEM 18" plus 224s)
But going for 19" with 8,5 offset 35 and 9,5 offset 45 and tyres 235/35 on front and 265/30 rear - random physics.
I just want to make things as simple as possible. For instance - I want to put B12 tomorrow - lets assume it is the time and I did it - perfect. Next week, new package - wheels and tyres if I put them and rubbing occurs - I cannot send them right away - cash lost. Thank you sir.
So it is easier to just ask and there is no proper answer.
 
Only my opinion, but et35 with 235 tyres will increase your chances of rubbing. The wheels will be 18.4mm further out than the baseline of the et47 18 inch wheels. Changing to 225 tyres will reduce the chances of catching, as will looking for wheels with an et38 offset - which brings you back towards the 15mm maximum I advised.
 
OK, I did a research and bye research I mean like 2 hours daily since wednesday :headbang:
zpost zroadster and z4-forum - all in my mind focusing on tyres. I know every single topic at those.
will they fit is at second place on my most visited websites jesus.
Conclusion - new idea came to my mind. I compared 225/40 18 offset 47 with 10 mm spacers - meaning offset is 37 WITH 235/35 19 offset 40.
In the first case there is no rubbing issue even lowered. So, I put those numbers in the calc.
9.3mm closer to the suspension strut. - not an issue since we have 10 mm spacers on front - without them we have 0,7 mm to the suspension strut - okayish to me.
The outer rim will poke out 3.3mm more than before. - that's it, that 3.3 mm separates us from success or failure. I am going to trust my maths.
 
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