$1,485.55 a second

rabman5

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Exxon posts profit record
World's largest publicly traded oil firm makes $11.68 billion in the quarter, but misses forecasts.
By Steve Hargreaves, CNNMoney.com staff writer
Last Updated: July 31, 2008: 9:57 AM EDT

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Exxon Mobil once again reported the largest quarterly profit in U.S. history Thursday, posting net income of $11.68 billion on revenue of $138 billion in the second quarter. That profit works out to $1,485.55 a second.

That barely beat the previous corporate record of $11.66 billion, also set by Exxon in the fourth quarter of 2007. But Exxon (XOM, Fortune 500) profit fell short of Wall Street estimates. Analysts predicted the company, the world's largest publicly traded oil firm, would make $12.1 billion in profit on $144.4 billion in revenue, according to Thomson Reuters. Exxon shares fell about 2% in early trading on the New York Stock Exchange.

Excluding money set aside for a recent damage award related to the Valdez tanker spill back in 1989, Exxon made $11.97 billion in the quarter. Pricey oil cuts both ways Exxon was both helped and hurt by high oil prices. As an oil producer, the company makes a lot of money when crude prices rise. Exxon made $10 billion from selling oil in the latest quarter, up nearly 70%. But as a refiner, it must also buy crude oil to turn into gasoline. Exxon actually buys more crude than it sells.
Profits from its refining business totaled $1.6 billion in the quarter, less than half of what they were last year. "Record crude oil and natural gas realizations were partly offset by lower refining and chemical margins, lower production volumes and higher operating costs," Exxon said in a statement. While oil prices in the quarter were nearly twice as high as the same time last year, gasoline prices only rose about 30%.

That's one reason why the stock of major oil companies - such as Exxon, Chevron (CVX, Fortune 500), Royal Dutch Shell (RDSA) and BP (BP) - that both produce and refine crude has been relatively flat over the last year, despite the runup in oil prices. Meanwhile, shares of companies that mostly produce oil, like Anadarko and Apache, have soared in the last year, while shares in refiners like Valero and Sunoco have tumbled.

Where the money goes
Exxon spent $7 billion in the second quarter finding and producing more new oil, up 38% from last year. Still, oil and natural gas production from the company fell 8%. Even excluding special events such as a labor strike in Nigeria and seizure of fields in Venezuela, production slipped 3%. The company returned $10.1 billion to shareholders in the form of dividends and stock buybacks, 12% more than last year. On an earnings-per-share basis, Exxon made $2.22. That was still lower than analysts had expected, but 24% higher than last year, a gain Exxon attributed to its aggressive stock buyback plan.

The big international oil companies have been criticized for plowing much of their profits back into stock buybacks and other programs to benefit shareholders, as opposed to exploring for more oil which could bring down the price of crude for everyone. "While oil companies are earning record profits and gas prices are soaring, the largest oil companies have invested more resources in stock buybacks than U.S. production," said Congressional Democrats in a press release shortly after Exxon announced its earnings. Other critics charge the oil companies with deliberately restricting production in an attempt to keep prices high.

The industry says it's investing as much as it can in finding new oil, but is having a hard time given the shortage of workers and equipment in the sector.
Recent efforts by countries such as Russia, Venezuela and Kazakhstan to gain greater control of their own domestic oil resources have also hampered the ability of international oil companies to increase production. In addition to making hefty profits, Exxon also had a hefty tax bill. Worldwide, the company paid $10.5 billion in income taxes in the second quarter, $9.5 billion in sales taxes, and over $12 billion in what it called "other taxes."

Political backlash
With Americans paying nearly $4 a gallon for gas, oil company earnings have been political fodder of late. Congressional Democrats said they are having a conference later in the day to call for an end to tax breaks for big oil firms. Several bills have been introduced in Congress to enact a "windfall" profits tax on these earnings, or at the very least eliminate manufacturing tax exemption oil companies now enjoy. Presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama wants to tax oil companies at a special rate every time crude goes over $80 a barrel. Most plans would either use this newfound tax money to fund investments in renewable energy, or give it to low income Americans struggling with high energy prices.

But so far those efforts have been blocked - mainly by Republicans - who say raising taxes on oil companies will only discourage investments in finding new oil and raise the price of crude.
 
ANd the stock goes down 2% WTF!! Seems they predicted they would make $12 Billion and they only made 11.68 so I guess that wasn't good enough!! Seems like somebody is confused! Just give me my 1% and I'll go home
 
I suspect that if the taxes are increased for Exxon and other other oil companies the price of gas will go up accordingly.... :x
 
Guaranteed indeed. In the UK, the banking industry was being pushed into lower overdraft charges. Every celebrates, but "suddenly" the cost of banking has gone up.

They will always protect the bottom line and the customer will pay for it in the end.
 
OK, class, how many can tell us the difference between PROFIT and PROFIT MARGIN? Stocks are down because the margins are the same and they're using some of those margins to offset higher refining costs and exploration costs. People want alternative energy and more domestic production, but they fail to say just how those companies plan to pay for it. (If you said "profits", give yourself a hand)
 
pvr said:
Guaranteed indeed. In the UK, the banking industry was being pushed into lower overdraft charges. Every celebrates, but "suddenly" the cost of banking has gone up.

They will always protect the bottom line and the customer will pay for it in the end.
...and no doubt someone/somegroup is calling for a government investigation at great expense as to why the cost of banking went up... :fightwall:
 
20ducks said:
2 Zero said:
Taxes? Exxon hasn't paid a dime in this country in year, if ever



Dude.....they pay 49%, stop reading the left wing media.
Well...we the consumer of their products provided the funding for the taxes that they paid.

Untimately all taxes are paid by the consumer or end user of the product/service.
 
This is corporate tax of which they pay one of the highest rates in the nation. Is the profit obscene? Maybe. I believe the payroll/bonus' paid to the CEO's of FanneMae and FreddieMac are much more obscene.
 
20ducks said:
This is corporate tax of which they pay one of the highest rates in the nation. Is the profit obscene? Maybe. I believe the payroll/bonus' paid to the CEO's of FanneMae and FreddieMac are much more obscene.
Agree... :thumbsup:

Also....If Exxon paid more in taxes to the federal government then less profit from Exxon to go into into MY 401K and probably yours and many others that are depending upon that income when they retire. Many pension funds are invested in Exxon.
 
What would happen if Exxon moved their corporation to, lets say, someplace in Africa? Would they still have to pay US income taxes? Businesses in the US move to avoid state income taxes they disagree with, so why not move to a different country that would offer less or no taxes?
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As stated above-corporations DO NOT PAY TAXES. Not really. They simply factor the cost of those taxes into the cost of their product or service. Higher taxes = higher cost of goods and services. CEO salaries? They should get what they can negotiate. It's up to the BOD to set the salary. If you want compensation to be more in line with that of the employees, then change the BOD when it's time to elect new ones.

I can see we need a few more Libertarians on this board. :fuelfire: :evil:
 
Smokin said:
As stated above-corporations DO NOT PAY TAXES. Not really. They simply factor the cost of those taxes into the cost of their product or service. Higher taxes = higher cost of goods and services. CEO salaries? They should get what they can negotiate. It's up to the BOD to set the salary. If you want compensation to be more in line with that of the employees, then change the BOD when it's time to elect new ones.

I can see we need a few more Libertarians on this board. :fuelfire: :evil:

That is called capitalism. The idea is to whip the slaves until their attitude improves. BOD will pay a CEO anything if he or she produces more profit for the stock holders. And yes they pass all costs of business onto the consumer including taxes. That is why taxing them more will not do a damn thing but make people running for office sound good.

That is the American way, and it is being copied all over the world even in today’s China. Communism didn’t work. Some places have and are still using Socialism where you are taken care of, from cradle to grave but that is not working very well either.

I vote for making ME the benevolent King of the world. I promise a new BMW in every garage. Doesn’t that sound great? :D
 
What every one forgets is the SCALE of this. Exxon/Mobile sells 6 Billion gallons of oil a DAY, world wide. The profit percentage of all the big oil companies is around 7-8%.

Using the example of the banking industry. The profit percentage of the banking industry is 11-13%, but no one is calling for a windfall profits tax on them. Think about it. The Banks are charging YOU 11-13% to use YOUR money....

If you go back and really read what Rabman posted, the cost of fuel should cost 30% MORE than it does....

There really is NO short term quick fix for the higher fuel costs. Everything is LONG term.. There has to be a long term, multi-prong approach to fix this.

The only real reason the Dems what a WindFall profits tax is to finance there own social programs that the government has no business being in.... it's all about POWER.
 
WaZZZZman said:
I vote for making ME the benevolent King of the world. I promise a new BMW in every garage. Doesn’t that sound great? :D
Hey....I've wanted that position for many years.... :P
...and I would also outlaw neckties... :thumbsup:
 
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