1/200 race cell cats or decat pipes out there?

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even better heres the actual Email from supersprint italy fro YEARS ago, who imo hold far more weight than anyone including myself in terms of constructions and materials used etc .... These people are massive and spend big money researching OEM to their own, the fact they use HJS materials in search of a better cat says it all. They are amongst one of the best exhaust manufacturers out their imo, particularly for bmw, AMG.

hi Byron
Yes, the Z4M stock cats are 400 cpsi, Not the 200cpsi you are quoting, we have done extensive testing with them.
In comparison to the mainstream, oem ceramic cats, which are 500 cpsi to 600 cpsi, or even more on some cars, they are a huge step forward; but in terms of sheer resistence against free-flowing, they are nowhere near to what the 100 cpsi race cats do offer.
The car manufactures always have to deal with very stringent emnission regulations, and also with lowering the production costs as much as possible, at the same time.
This is the main reason behind the poor design of most of the stock exhausts, excpecially since the late 90s.
In the case of Z4M, BMW did a half hearted attempt, in searching the best performance, by specifiyng a nicely designed, lightweight headers, but choking down its flow potential, by adopting a set of 400 cpsi cats.
It's difficult to speculate how much more hp and torque you will make with the SS cats, on your S/C Z4. But we believe that it will be quite noticeable, no less than that.
We only have dyno charts available for our in-house, back-to-back tests, done on the perfectly stock Z4 M engine.
Speaking of the stock Z4M headers, while they have a great primary pipe and 3-1 collector design, they still have a rather significant flaw.
There is a 55mm downpipe section, after both the 3-1 collectors, where the diameter of the entire, main pipe is smaller than ideal. This acts as a bottleneck in the exchaust system,
Replacing that pipe section with a larger, unrestricted, 60mm section, would do great.
However, this is a modification which must be caried out by a reputable muffler fabricator only, possibly by a race specialist.

Also, you are right, when you say that the engine will have to be warmed fully, when going to the MOT emission test.
Failing to do so, testing the exhaust gas content with an exhaust system still cold, may spoil the readings.
To be honest, this can happen with the stock cats in place, as well.

As of the the EGT sensor bung, we confirm that we do weld the provision on the left side downpipe, in the proper place, upstream of the cat.

For placing your order, please contact Evolve, who is the exclusive Distributor for the Supersprint BMW exhausts in the UK.
[email protected]
http://www.evolveautomotive.com/
They will be more than glad to assist with your buy, in every way possible.

Best Regards
Alessandro Gilli
Supersprint
Italy
 
after i questioned the 400 cell , he sent pictures and this follow up email... sadly the pictures are no longer hosted....


Hello Byron,

Thank you for your kind words of appreciation.

For this application, we use the HJS part # 90 60 3105.
We confirm you that the Supersprint 789802 will bolt to your oem headers / manifolds, and to your stock mid-exhaust section on the opposite end.
No modification required.
Be warned that the stock / oem cats are NOT 200 cpsi, but 400 cpsi units instead.
While they are metallic, better in their quality and overall design than the regular oem cats, usually found on other performance car models, they still block off the exhast flow, by a considerable amount.
We know, because we have actually flow- measured them, by checking the exhaust back pressure during our extensive dyno sessions.

Speaking of your S/C Z4 M, based upon your HP figures, we suggest to use the full Supersprint Step design headers + Race cats, part # 044001 + #044902, for optimum results.
However, please keep in mind that the 044001 only fits the LHD Z4 M.
In case you own a RHD Z4M, we do not have a suitable headers, unfortunately, and can offer you our front, catted section only, # 789802 (which yelds to a huge improvement over stock, anyway).

The delivery time is 2 weeks from the date of the order.

Please let us know your full adress, for a quotation.
If you live in a Country where Supersprint has an official Distributor, we will re-direct your inquiry to them, as they will make the quotation, to your door.

Best Regards
Alessandro Gilli
Supersprint
Italy
 
and the initial enquiry response from him... dated 12/12/2012 :-)

Hello,

Thank you for your inquiry.
The Supersprint catted section for the Z4 M uses 2 large-volume, HJS metallic monolyths, with 100 cpsi count, with a OBD, Euro 4 compliant coating of platinum, palladium & rhodium.
The HJS metallic cats are the best in the exhaust industry, worldwide.
While HJS makes them available in several shapes and sized, and most important, with different rates of coatings, we opt to use the highest-rated versions only, in spite of their higher cost, for ensuring the best efficiency, in terms of reduced emissions.
Please do a search on the HJS website, for more informations about the monolyts specifications.

Speaking of this specific Supersprint exhaust, while the cold-start emissions are slightly worse than the stock, BMW oem units, they still make the car compliant with the yearly emission test routine.
Needless to say, the exhaust gas flow rate is greatly increased over the stock system, hence the performance gains, in particular when used with the Supersprint hedaders/manifolds.

On a side note, we anticipate you that the Supersprint catted exhausts will take a rather substantial raise in price in the near future, due to the increasing costs the HJS monolyhts underwent over the last few months, which in turn are mandated by the raw cost of the base metal coatings.
We do not mean to hurry your purchasing decision, however you may be saving some money, by placing your order within a short time.

If you have more questions, please do not hesitate to ask.

Best Regards
Alessandro Gilli
Supersprint
Italy
 
and he was right.... the parts went up significantly sadly due to the HJS price going sky high, the cat section is now stupid money as OP has outlined.
 
so OP take from that what you will ;-) note he doesnt actually have anything bad to say about the stock units and actually commends bmw choice with them, so he argument was balanced and factual and the pictures he included were totally evidence i needed, Not to mention the detailed areas of the stock system that he was able to describe to me right down to bottle necks in certain sections and able to give me measurements in mm, give me a bmw tuner , dealer that can do that, in that detail ? so they clearly had spent quite some time on the R and D, fast forward a few years later i had my very own in my hand and his explanations coupled to me having an actually 200 set next to the stock units were conclusive. Again don't get lost in the CELL count, theirs other factors to take into consideration.


Decat the sucker, but you may loose alittle TQ remember the s54 seems to like some back pressure, but should pickup a decent bit of top end, this motor spits some nice flames De-catted too :evil: :evil: :evil:
 
Beebub hahaha
I'll read all that once home buddy;)

I'll decat it £410 delivered and then get light coded out

Appears easier in long run ;)
 
My bad, assumed m3 and z4m cats were the same. Interesting stuff from supersprint, it's convinced me to add to their backbox I have now.
 
TomK said:
My bad, assumed m3 and z4m cats were the same. Interesting stuff from supersprint, it's convinced me to add to their backbox I have now.


no bad at all, i thought exactly the same as you hence my one detailed battle with him, once they sent me the pics disected oem cats BRAND new, i knew they were messing, literally 10k worth of brand new cats cut up and tested in different ways, i think theirs ALOT of mis information on the CPsi on of s54 cats but these guys totally cleared it up for me, the detail in which he could talk about the z4m exhaust was nuts, bear in mid this was from an query to the Italian website so to get someone reply back with such knowledge was impressive.... he noted the stock headers are a nice piece too as you can read.


if anyone has the money to have the FULL SS system you are getting some seriously nice stuff, but the hole lot is like 5k? he stepped headers are awesome!
 
Read it all:)
Awesome stuff from you guys and SS

I can't justify the price tbh
As double checked as their race cats are £1700!!!

Sadly I missed the X part and rear SS boxes on here :("
But ill order the decats in a few days
I don't race so tq I guess I won't notice

But ref: resonators
Won't the stock X pipe and oem boxes be enough

N marshmallows time;)
 
no.... not it won't be enough id weld in some resonators.... id expect that to be loud as hell.

i may have a spare set that are ceramic coated if you need them, the same as i use on my setup, with the vband already setup, so you could get someone to weld a vband plane to your decats and and have quick change setup!
 
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doesnt use bolts... but clamps to mate together a male and female section... the hotter the exhaust the better the seal, also very quick to remove things. More expensive to setup and get right but once done its a nice solution. looks kinda cool too :-)
 
Very nice and you said had some ?
If so how much buddy?

As ordering the decat tonight:)
4 days or so they reckon as from Italy

M
 
yup got their sat on my desk like an ornament , lol!!

like i said the resonators are the larger empty units... they are perforated/ baffled to reduce unwanted "tones" "drone" ....

the resonators i have are ceramic coated too by jet hot, really nice items, note the Vband connectors :-)



 
I assume that the SS decats

Part 789812. They're too look for resonators
Or would they have to be cut and put in?
 
I love how v band has made it to the exhaust world. It makes so much sense hopefully all exhaust joints one day will be v band. Been using it for years at work in a similar form.
 
They look cool:)
But as I'm just getting decat
They're bolted flanges at each end
As I'm leaving X pipe and resonator in place :)
Once in, I'll have to come let you see what sounds like matt:)
Was in Oxford today in Mazzer I totally forgot to give you a shout !!
As was round park round too
 
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