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CliveN

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We are in a funny old world at the moment where nobody knows what’s going to happen. The same thing is happening with cars with people seemingly holding back now on buying EVs and going for hybrids. While full EV will happen it seems as though some form of reality injection will take place to make the transition more effective. Policy trying to alter buying habits doesn’t always work.

What does this mean for used “specialist” ICE cars, including Zeds? I really don’t know. Part of me wants to think that excellent examples of sought after ICE sports cars will be able to kept and maintain some form of value. Part of me goes further to think they will appreciate as they become extinct and people desire them more. My third part of me thinks that the march towards EV and the changing demographic where driving pleasure is not an issue for Gen Z means they become worthless and irrelevant trinkets like a traction engine. And this is before we think about future fuel supply but this will continue for a long while I imagine.

Looking at a variety of cars over the last year in the collectors market in the six figure bracket shows that they just aren’t selling. Moreover the amount of car you can get for £80000 (say) is phenomenal - lots of Astons, McLs and Ferraris. And not really that old. The maintenance costs scare me stupid even if I did have that money to spend but it’s a lot for comparatively little.

In our instance the highest value car (ignoring G29s which are still too new) is the Z4MC. And even these aren’t selling or are they?

One thing though is a fact - cars in the U.K. are far cheaper than those in Europe.
 
I saw on the news that Europe is abolishing the move to EV only and will allow ice to continue. Hopefully this will now make the UK government follow. It will allow car makers to do more research into hydrogen and e fuels to make them cheaper to produce.
 
In this world of austerity I'm completely puzzled how people are affording brand new cars these days, I must be missing something. Especially as your hum drum hatch is nudging 30k and anything remotely sporty or luxurious is galloping towards 40k. If buying electric you must be slightly mad as resale value doesn't exist although new prices are dropping with smaller EVs like the Hyundai Inster and Renault 5.

I remember when I bought my Z4 new back in 2012, I paid a small deposit, BMW contributed 8k and it was £299 a month on a PCP which seemed a bit of a bargain compared to today.

Tim.
 
I find it difficult to understand why anyone pays over £400.00 a month to buy/rent a car when it's possible to buy a decent one for £12,000.00 or less and own it.
 
This kind of echoes my thread from yesterday. I’m confused as to how the country is ticking right now with most things.

I enquired about an X3 M50. I do think it’s a great car , but costings on PCP;

67k price , 77k rrp
2 k deposit, 910-970 pcm. 4 years.

I can’t believe this is normal? Maybe my brain is stuck in pre inflation mode.


And this links back to your point about being able to reach silly cars for 80k. Nothing makes sense.
 
This kind of echoes my thread from yesterday. I’m confused as to how the country is ticking right now with most things.

I enquired about an X3 M50. I do think it’s a great car , but costings on PCP;

67k price , 77k rrp
2 k deposit, 910-970 pcm. 4 years.

I can’t believe this is normal? Maybe my brain is stuck in pre inflation mode.


And this links back to your point about being able to reach silly cars for 80k. Nothing makes sense.
I don't get it either. Until I ask peers how much they earn. Wages are crazy money for most IMO.
 
In this world of austerity I'm completely puzzled how people are affording brand new cars these days, I must be missing something.
It's still do-able on a tight budget, you just have to use your loaf and not be too fussy about what you drive.

November 2024 I leased a new Audi A4 40 'black edition' estate, petrol, for 2 years at 8k miles a year. I only got it because I noticed some very very good deals. Turns out they had discontinued the A4 and were flogging off any built cars cheap. The UK got a quota of just black, white or blue cars. I have a white one.
6 months plus 23 payments @£300 per month inc VAT (I am VAT registered so can claim half the VAT back). That is a cheap Audi which was £47k list.

January 2025 we bought a new Ford Focus ST petrol (cash). It had been pre-registered by the dealer on December 31st 2024 but had 10 miles on. It was new. List price for the car was £42,155 (I know...for a Focus!!). We paid £29,900 on the road, delivered free on a flatbed. The only downside is it comes under luxury RFL, so is expensive to tax. I don't know why the dealer couldn't shift it, but I got a cracking deal.

I get a lot of emails from leasing companies with 'offers'. There are still some cracking ones out there, just as long as you ain't too fussy.
 
It’s not really a puzzle when you consider the utter imbeciles ‘running’ the country.

No one knows what to do, you can’t plan anything, goal posts get moved, country’s in limbo at best with the morons currently in charge. Badenoch says she’ll scrap the EV deadline, which no one knows when that’ll be, but they won’t get in next time I doubt, the infrastructure for EV is nowhere near enough and never will be in the next 15yrs I don’t think, Porsche for one example are saying they’re going to carry on with ICE in the new Cayman and boxster according to a recent article, can’t remember which though, when they said they’d be EV only, it’s a minefield at best and that’s without the incompetent twat in No 10 and his bunch of nodding donkeys 🫏
 
It's still do-able on a tight budget, you just have to use your loaf and not be too fussy about what you drive.

November 2024 I leased a new Audi A4 40 'black edition' estate, petrol, for 2 years at 8k miles a year. I only got it because I noticed some very very good deals. Turns out they had discontinued the A4 and were flogging off any built cars cheap. The UK got a quota of just black, white or blue cars. I have a white one.
6 months plus 23 payments @£300 per month inc VAT (I am VAT registered so can claim half the VAT back). That is a cheap Audi which was £47k list.

January 2025 we bought a new Ford Focus ST petrol (cash). It had been pre-registered by the dealer on December 31st 2024 but had 10 miles on. It was new. List price for the car was £42,155 (I know...for a Focus!!). We paid £29,900 on the road, delivered free on a flatbed. The only downside is it comes under luxury RFL, so is expensive to tax. I don't know why the dealer couldn't shift it, but I got a cracking deal.

I get a lot of emails from leasing companies with 'offers'. There are still some cracking ones out there, just as long as you ain't too fussy.
I think I did PCPs for some 15 years and decided when I retired I would buy the next car outright albeight with a trade in and have to say it was quite liberating to get out of that financial trap. I was always against buying a new motor outright as thought monies could be better used but then all that interest attached to a pcp and then theres the balloon payment if you decide to keep the car. Also I baulked at the thought of paying 100s a month on a PCP over 3 or 4 years and then just giving the car back with nothing to show for it.

Probably what works aganst me I'm quite specific on the car I want so limited in choice,
 
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