Z4C - Getting very rare - The price gap is closing to the Z4MC?

[BTZ461]

Compared to driving a 4Coupe, the BMW Z4M is quite a ponderous and thuggish car by comparison. Over time expect to see the wonderful 4Coupe values rise considerably being driven by demand, whilst the gap narrows as more of cognoscenti
recognise the shortcomings of the 4M. That big heavy iron lump in the front does nothing to balance the car out, at times the understeer can be quite difficult to read. These cars can be hard work driving, with the torque coming in well up the rev range compared to the 4Coupe where it all starts happening at 1800rpm plus. The cockpit of the 4Coupe is a great place to be, and there is a considerable difference between the 4Coupe motorsports seats( give a great tight fit, almost cossetting you) whereas those in the 4M seem wider at the hips and shoulders. My tip, buy any low well less than say 60k miles 4Coupe in good original condition, 6 M/T and full motorsport spec, pay up to GBP12k today and watch it head to the moon. The 4MCoupe prices as already mentioned have plateaued, expect them to fall away at a faster rate now.

Edited for those older, slower Northern Hemisphere readers. Why would we be banging about on about an Alfa Romeo ffs

 

[Mr Tidy]

Compared to driving a 4C, the BMW is quite a ponderous and thuggish car by comparison. Over time expect to see the wonderful 4C values rise considerably being driven by demand, whilst the gap narrows as more of cognoscenti
recognise the shortcomings of the 4M. That big heavy iron lump in the front does nothing to balance the car out, at times the understeer can be quite difficult to read. These cars can be hard work driving, with the torque coming in well up the rev range compared to the 4C where it all starts happening at 188rpm plus. The cockpit of the 4C is a great place to be, and there is a considerable difference between the 4C motorsports seats( give a great tight fit, almost cossetting you) whereas those in the 4M seem wider at the hips and shoulders. My tip, buy any low well less than say 60k miles 4C in good original condition, 6 M/T and full motorsport spec, pay up to GBP12k today and watch it head to the moon. The 4MC prices as already mentioned have plateaued, expect them to fall away at a faster rate now.

I'm not sure TBH - a 4C just seems a step into the 4 cylinder turbo flappy paddle Playstation generation that may look pretty but is just meh! (For me anyway).

Who cares where maximum torque appears - just use the right gear and head for the red-line. :lol: (Assuming the 4C can get there before running out of breath)!

I may be wrong but I can see 4C values continuing to fall for a while.

 

[Zedebee]

Compared to driving a 4C, the BMW is quite a ponderous and thuggish car by comparison. Over time expect to see the wonderful 4C values rise considerably being driven by demand, whilst the gap narrows as more of cognoscenti
recognise the shortcomings of the 4M. That big heavy iron lump in the front does nothing to balance the car out, at times the understeer can be quite difficult to read. These cars can be hard work driving, with the torque coming in well up the rev range compared to the 4C where it all starts happening at 188rpm plus. The cockpit of the 4C is a great place to be, and there is a considerable difference between the 4C motorsports seats( give a great tight fit, almost cossetting you) whereas those in the 4M seem wider at the hips and shoulders. My tip, buy any low well less than say 60k miles 4C in good original condition, 6 M/T and full motorsport spec, pay up to GBP12k today and watch it head to the moon. The 4MC prices as already mentioned have plateaued, expect them to fall away at a faster rate now.

I'm not sure TBH - a 4C just seems a step into the 4 cylinder turbo flappy paddle Playstation generation that may look pretty but is just meh! (For me anyway).

Who cares where maximum torque appears - just use the right gear and head for the red-line. :lol: (Assuming the 4C can get there before running out of breath)!

I may be wrong but I can see 4C values continuing to fall for a while.

It’s oddly written, but I assumed he was talking about Z4C vs Z4M not Alfa 4C?

 

[Mr Tidy]

It’s oddly written, but I assumed he was talking about Z4C vs Z4M not Alfa 4C?

Right, so maybe I replied to a question that wasn't asked.

Still I'd definitely rather have an MC than a 3.0Si Coupe.

 

[buzyg]

It’s oddly written, but I assumed he was talking about Z4C vs Z4M not Alfa 4C?

Right, so maybe I replied to a question that wasn't asked.

Still I'd definitely rather have an MC than a 3.0Si Coupe.

If that was comparing a Z4C to a Z4MC, then it was nowhere close to reality. :? Each to there own opinion.

 

[AndyBeech]

I thought it was a wind up post TBH :lol: The seats are exactly the same apart from the M logo in the headrest for a starters. :?

 

[BTZ461]

Incorrect AndyBeech and others There is a distinct difference between the bolsters on the 4C Motorsport seats and the 4M seats, those Motorsport seat, and side bolsters are thicker and more snug fitting than the M. And there are stitching differneces too. along with the M logo being on some of the M cars.
Lets see, the proof is in the pudding Mr Tidy re values, we have a vested interest in both outcomes remember :wink:

 

[AndyBeech]

Incorrect AndyBeech and others There is a distinct difference between the bolsters on the 4C Motorsport seats and the 4M seats, those Motorsport seat, and side bolsters are thicker and more snug fitting than the M. And there are stitching differneces too. along with the M logo being on some of the M cars.
Lets see, the proof is in the pudding Mr Tidy re values, we have a vested interest in both outcomes remember :wink:

I've owned both a 3.0si and now an M and the seats looked and felt exactly the same to me...…(I presume when your saying Motorsport seats you mean M seats?). Neither are great support wise for hard driving, somewhat fixed with a CG-Lock for now.

If your post is genuine then...the only thing I agree on is the cast iron lump up front being on the weighty side. Good car's are the 3.0si for what they do, could never go back to one though personally.

Your tip to buy one up to 12k and expect it to rise in price (to the moon!) must be a joke though surely :lol: If you wanna make money be better off chucking it at Bitcoin.

 

[BTZ461]

Already in bitcoin, some of in went into the 4MC last week

 

[Zedebee]

Your tip to buy one up to 12k and expect it to rise in price (to the moon!) must be a joke though surely :lol: If you wanna make money be better off chucking it at Bitcoin.

There’s undoubtedly a bit of speculative value in Z4s at the moment (here I include anything 3.0Si and M, including roadsters) and values will go up and down for sure. But there’s no real depreciation, so the main cost of car ownership doesn’t exist, hence these cars are great value. If values do drop away, at least you'll have a great car to keep you entertained, unlike Bitcoin where you’ll have sweet FA.

 

[AndyBeech]

Your tip to buy one up to 12k and expect it to rise in price (to the moon!) must be a joke though surely :lol: If you wanna make money be better off chucking it at Bitcoin.

There’s undoubtedly a bit of speculative value in Z4s at the moment (here I include anything 3.0Si and M, including roadsters) and values will go up and down for sure. But there’s no real depreciation, so the main cost of car ownership doesn’t exist, hence these cars are great value. If values do drop away, at least you'll have a great car to keep you entertained, unlike Bitcoin where you’ll have sweet FA.

Couldn't agree more, they are great value, and in my opinion M's even more so but it really depends on usage and what you want out of it.
Buying on perceived future values or as an investment though in the current climate, you'd have to be mad. The lack of depreciation as you say is a bonus but yeah, these should be brought driven and enjoyed unless you have a exceptionally low mileage showroom condition example.

The Bitcoin comment was purely tongue in cheek and just to highlight there are far better investments if that's your game. Does amuse me the amount of people clamouring to get a slice of Bitcoin though who have no idea what it is or the risks, which probably accounts for a lot of people buying in right now. Elon's a clever chap.

 

[srhutch]

seat foam is same number across the board

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/partxref?id=BT92-EUR-10-2006-E85-BMW-Z4_M32&mg=52&sg=10&diagId=52_3068&q=52107896163&series=E85

 

[Ewazix]

........... buy any low miles 4Coupe in good original condition, 6 M/T and full motorsport spec, pay up to GBP12k today and watch it head to the moon....

Bookmark this investment advice and check it in 5 years time

 

[Deleted member 32480]

I have got no skin in the game now so I can comment without bias.

I think if you look after your M or SI your minimum expectations should be that you are not going to lose any money on it.

I didn't want to keep my SI on my drive unused for 2-3 years in the hope to make a couple of grand (which is what I predict will happen at that point). It would make sense to me keeping it for depreciation free motoring if it was my only car.

The M's will always lead the way but will also drag up the prices of the SI with them.

 

[Danz4coupe]

I bought my Z4C four years ago for £7250 with 90k on the clock.. minimal maintenance costs servicing, tyres etc and now got 110k on the clock and I reckon I'd get my money back if i sold it so no complaints from me.
Young 19 yr old fella I work who's £2k Fiesta is now worth about £500 seemed baffled i own a "car that doesn't depreciate!!??"

 

[Smartbear]

I bought my Z4C four years ago for £7250 with 90k on the clock.. minimal maintenance costs servicing, tyres etc and now got 110k on the clock and I reckon I'd get my money back if i sold it so no complaints from me.
Young 19 yr old fella I work who's £2k Fiesta is now worth about £500 seemed baffled i own a "car that doesn't depreciate!!??" Screenshot_20210303-184945_Photos.jpg

He wouldn’t be saying that if he’d purchased it from new!
Rob

 

[DSGRNMCM]

So according to my WBAC tracker, even these scrimshanks have the coupe increasing in value!

 

[Penelope]

Had quite a few people say I should lock my mint 25k mile E86 Si Sport in a carcoon and let it appreciate but I didn't and am now +10k miles in a year. It's still very low mileage but the way I see it is that if I buy another car to use as a daily then the depreciation on that would wipe out any profit made on the Z4 Coupe if I came to sell it in a couple of years, especially if I paid storage fees! Figured the best thing to do was drive it and enjoy having a virtually brand new car with a lot more character than an average brand new car. We Buy Any Car still value it more than I paid for it and the Dealer's Price on it for Parkers Valuation is a lot higher but all irrelevant as not intending to sell ever...

 

[Mr Tidy]

Had quite a few people say I should lock my mint 25k mile E86 Si Sport in a carcoon and let it appreciate but I didn't and am now +10k miles in a year. It's still very low mileage but the way I see it is that if I buy another car to use as a daily then the depreciation on that would wipe out any profit made on the Z4 Coupe if I came to sell it in a couple of years, especially if I paid storage fees! Figured the best thing to do was drive it and enjoy having a virtually brand new car with a lot more character than an average brand new car. We Buy Any Car still value it more than I paid for it and the Dealer's Price on it for Parkers Valuation is a lot higher but all irrelevant as not intending to sell ever...

Like you say it's wasted if you don't use it!

I was never going to sell my 2nd 3.0Si - and then I found an MC I could afford........... :lol:

 

[Zedebee]

I was never going to sell my 2nd 3.0Si - and then I found an MC I could afford........... :lol:
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And I’m never going to sell my 3.0Si unless I find an MC I can afford!