Suspension KW V3 & what front top mounts?

pHilli0

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I am upgrading my suspension

KW V3s on order.
RTAB kit here.
ARBs to order.
I am going to order the Rogue Engineering Rear Top Mounts.
What do I do for the front top mounts? I want a few degrees of neg.
 
Turner are the ones most use. Not cheap, but I know someone who tried cheaper ones and it was a false economy.
http://www.hackengineering.co.uk/product/turner-motorsport-street-cambercaster-adjustable-topmounts-e46-m3/
 
why not use the top mounts from the clubsports?? They are billet uniball with proper rubber boots etc they are awesome quality, and the purple looks cool too :evil: :evil:
 
I didn't think of that! OK just found them online.. so the options are
462 for the turner set, thanks Tom
400 for the ground control plates
416 for the KW's

Do these look like the correct ones?
http://www.venommotorsport.com/product/suspension/SU28420/
KW Part Code: 19000763
 
that appears to be them although the ones that come with the kw kit have some more detail on them relating to the clubsport damper, these are the same without that detail on them. REALLY good stuff, the kw quality was exceptional.
 
there are also vorshlag ones. camber + caster adjustable with the same principle/method as the ground control and turner (h&r made) ones.

I once saw a comparison movieclip with the 'smoothness' difference in camber+caster adjustability between vorshlag and ground control ones (you loosen the bolts and move the shock around), but I cant find that clip anymore (dont know if it was on YT or elsewhere). One was better than the other (in that clip, I dont know how fake that was). Does anyone know what clip I mean?

Do the KW ones still have stud holes around so you can refit the studs in another position to adjust caster+camber?
like this
DSCF4292.jpg
 
GuidoK said:
there are also vorshlag ones. camber + caster adjustable with the same principle/method as the ground control and turner (h&r made) ones.

I once saw a comparison movieclip with the 'smoothness' difference in camber+caster adjustability between vorshlag and ground control ones (you loosen the bolts and move the shock around), but I cant find that clip anymore (dont know if it was on YT or elsewhere). One was better than the other (in that clip, I dont know how fake that was). Does anyone know what clip I mean?

Do the KW ones still have stud holes around so you can refit the studs in another position to adjust caster+camber?
like this
DSCF4292.jpg

the clubsport ones do and are numbered around the edge, Edit... these are too, on mine they are annodised white etchings look really nice but they seemed to have stopped doing that now.
 
don't forget to add reinforcement plates and a SB for strut top protection. cheap insurance as these type of billet top mounts exert more stress in the centre instead of being spread out over the dome like the stock large pieces.
 
Beedub said:
don't forget to add reinforcement plates and a SB for strut top protection. cheap insurance as these type of billet top mounts exert more stress in the centre instead of being spread out over the dome like the stock large pieces.

That flew over my head!? Sorry lol. One thing, I assume I can use my stock mounts with the V3s if I choose to for now? I get why I need top mounts but its 500+ to do it properly for a few degrees or neg, not sure that is worth it at my current skill level.

BTW What is a SB?
 
pHilli0 said:
Beedub said:
don't forget to add reinforcement plates and a SB for strut top protection. cheap insurance as these type of billet top mounts exert more stress in the centre instead of being spread out over the dome like the stock large pieces.

That flew over my head!? Sorry lol. One thing, I assume I can use my stock mounts with the V3s if I choose to for now? I get why I need top mounts but its 500+ to do it properly for a few degrees or neg, not sure that is worth it at my current skill level.

BTW What is a SB?


more than fine with stock mounts and if you want cheap camber buy the turner e36 shim kit :-) works perfectly fine with the oem setup and will net you a decent -1.75

you don't NEED top mounts and with the stock top mounts you don't need the reinforcement plates as they exert the load equally through the suspension turret, the ones above are alot smaller and put the old in the centre of the turret.
 
Beedub said:
pHilli0 said:
Beedub said:
don't forget to add reinforcement plates and a SB for strut top protection. cheap insurance as these type of billet top mounts exert more stress in the centre instead of being spread out over the dome like the stock large pieces.

That flew over my head!? Sorry lol. One thing, I assume I can use my stock mounts with the V3s if I choose to for now? I get why I need top mounts but its 500+ to do it properly for a few degrees or neg, not sure that is worth it at my current skill level.

BTW What is a SB?


more than fine with stock mounts and if you want cheap camber buy the turner e36 shim kit :-) works perfectly fine with the oem setup and will net you a decent -1.75

you don't NEED top mounts and with the stock top mounts you don't need the reinforcement plates as they exert the load equally through the suspension turret, the ones above are alot smaller and put the old in the centre of the turret.

Do you know if the turner e36 shim kit would work with the KW V3 supplied top mounts? I the tuner shims are designed for the ZM stock setup but would be good if they did fit as a cheap option as you say.
 
pHilli0 said:
Beedub said:
pHilli0 said:
That flew over my head!? Sorry lol. One thing, I assume I can use my stock mounts with the V3s if I choose to for now? I get why I need top mounts but its 500+ to do it properly for a few degrees or neg, not sure that is worth it at my current skill level.

BTW What is a SB?


more than fine with stock mounts and if you want cheap camber buy the turner e36 shim kit :-) works perfectly fine with the oem setup and will net you a decent -1.75

you don't NEED top mounts and with the stock top mounts you don't need the reinforcement plates as they exert the load equally through the suspension turret, the ones above are alot smaller and put the old in the centre of the turret.

Do you know if the turner e36 shim kit would work with the KW V3 supplied top mounts? I the tuner shims are designed for the ZM stock setup but would be good if they did fit as a cheap option as you say.


yup they do fit... i have them on my car as we speak.... the shimming is done on the large bolts to the hub.... not up the top, our suspension is e36 m3 based... its 15 quid and will net you more than enough neg camber for your usage.
 
Beedub said:
pHilli0 said:
Beedub said:
more than fine with stock mounts and if you want cheap camber buy the turner e36 shim kit :-) works perfectly fine with the oem setup and will net you a decent -1.75

you don't NEED top mounts and with the stock top mounts you don't need the reinforcement plates as they exert the load equally through the suspension turret, the ones above are alot smaller and put the old in the centre of the turret.

Do you know if the turner e36 shim kit would work with the KW V3 supplied top mounts? I the tuner shims are designed for the ZM stock setup but would be good if they did fit as a cheap option as you say.


yup they do fit... i have them on my car as we speak.... the shimming is done on the large bolts to the hub.... not up the top, our suspension is e36 m3 based... its 15 quid and will net you more than enough neg camber for your usage.

Thats really helpful thanks a lot beedub.
 
Well I ordered the turner e36 shim kit from ca. Roy called today and cancelled the order. Said the price online was old and incorrect. He said he had sold a few sets and people had complained they hadnt done the job as expected. So he didnt sell them anymore. Confused?
 
pHilli0 said:
Well I ordered the turner e36 shim kit from ca. Roy called today and cancelled the order. Said the price online was old and incorrect. He said he had sold a few sets and people had complained they hadnt done the job as expected. So he didnt sell them anymore. Confused?


so am i?? lol. I've used these of years successfully, roy is talking poop and probably wants to sell you a 450 quid camber plate.

http://www.zpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=422123


these are really nice, still use them to this very day so i can get more camber using LESS of the camber plate, as using the camber plate the bolts become covered once yo try to slight deeper into Neg camber so they strut needs to be dropped to to adjust due to the small opening in the suspension top turret.
 
Beedub said:
pHilli0 said:
Well I ordered the turner e36 shim kit from ca. Roy called today and cancelled the order. Said the price online was old and incorrect. He said he had sold a few sets and people had complained they hadnt done the job as expected. So he didnt sell them anymore. Confused?


so am i?? lol. I've used these of years successfully, roy is talking poop and probably wants to sell you a 450 quid camber plate.

http://www.zpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=422123


these are really nice, still use them to this very day so i can get more camber using LESS of the camber plate, as using the camber plate the bolts become covered once yo try to slight deeper into Neg camber so they strut needs to be dropped to to adjust due to the small opening in the suspension top turret.

Hmm how strange. I will try and somewhere to buy a set from. I see they are 15 dollars on the turner site but 51 pounds to ship lol. Must be a cheaper way than that. Roy's online price was 21.97 inc VAT and shipping which seemed like a good deal lol
 
I would swim to the USA and back, then pay double the asking price just to buy them from someone other than Roy at CA Automotive (or CA Technologies or CA International or any other name he trades under).....!
 
BMWZ4MC said:
I would swim to the USA and back, then pay double the asking price just to buy them from someone other than Roy at CA Automotive (or CA Technologies or CA International or any other name he trades under).....!

Rofl..had a bad experience ?
 
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