SNOW!!!

Hunter

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Hey Guys, How drivable are the Z`s in the snow...i regurarly drive from Nottingham to Aberdeen and Vice-Versa...My car is currently in Aberdeen and i have to drive home to Notts and its a journey thats usually a pleasure in the Z....but should i be worried now the weather has turned???
Its a 3.0 SE manual
 
Standard run flats are useless - even in the dry :cry:

imo if you plan to drive that distance in winter with snow i would get proper winter tyres... or find a FWD car.
 
I had an E46 M3 SMG and i did the run in the snow once...it seemed a bit scittish....checked the rears when it got light the next day...BALD!!!! glad i diddnt realise during the journey...i would of been sh.tting bricks!!!
 
A nightmare, no matter how gentle you are with the throttle. I drove mine last year as I got snowed out, FWD cars were having little trouble in places where I was struggling to even get moving. Eventually got home, swapped to the Mrs FWD and all was well.

Leave the Z4 parked :thumbsup:
 
Yesterday I got caught in a blizzard on the M6 between Tebay and Shap (cumbria) it layed 2-3cm down in a matter of minutes and started about 3-4 mins before I arrived it was a complete white out and the road (although traffic on it) the snow layed down straight away, road was completely white. But just pounced it was like hitting a white wall.

The weather is completely unpredictable and up here we describe Tebay as 'another world' as the weather changes so quickly. Just 1/2 a mile before the road was completely clear with no sign of snow. Tebay is quite high up and surrounded by the fells so the temp dramatically changes therefore the unpredictable weather.

Slowed it down by just taking off my foot off the gas. All the traffic was slowing very quickly everyone was stupidly braking. Managed to slow down to about 40 (snow was building up quickly fresh and un-compacted) and then....

The car in front of me locked up, spun 180 I was about 3 car lengths behind him but there was nothing else I could do but brake or I would have front ended him (as he was facing me), I didnt put the brakes on hard, but with the low profile tyres and the build up of snow the car wasnt too happy. Of corse the lardy arse Z4M tried to put me in a spin, put me 45 deg left, 45 deg right but fortunately I managed to keep hold of her but the car in front of me ended up in the barrier.

No one was hurt fortunately, and the guys car had a fair amount of damage but it was still drivable, but its a good job there was no one directly behind me or to the side of me or I would have ended up in the barrier and probably taken some one with me as the near spin put me in two lanes.

I then limped the car past Shap where the snow completely disappeared on the decent into Penrith, but i stuck at 35 in 6th doing about 1400rpm and the traction control was flashing at me the whole way.

But it does amaze me at the stupidity of the drivers, braking is the last thing you want to do when you are traveling at speed and encounter that type of weather because even if you have ABS the wheels will still lock up on powder snow at about 50mph which is what happened to the bloke in front of me. Otherwise the near accident wouldn't have occurred.

Fortunately I am used to the weather, last year we had heavy snow for 3-4 months so its almost normal, and I am used to driving in the snow which is probably how I managed to keep it out the barrier. But last year I had a 320 so there is a huge amount of difference, but sufficed to say the Z4M will be tucked up in the garage for the winter now. Even with winter tyres BMWs are useless up here especially one with 343hp and I live on a hill with no snow clearing or gritting so theres no point buying winter tyres the only way to get around is 4x4 or getting snow chains, I will be using the trusty Mini cooper as it was brilliant last year.

To answer your question they are useless, but all BMWs are had them for 20 years and we always garage them unless the winter isnt too bad. But like I said where I am the roads are really bad, its all country roads and non of them are main roads, so further down country with some winter tyres it may be ok. But in my opinion your better off leaving it in the garage and wait for a break in the weather and grab yourself a front wheel drive for the winter.

But like I said I was on the M6 so anything can happen.
 
To be honest. Under the swoopy body it's pretty much just like any other rear drive auto. Just slighty less clearance than my wife's 328. We live in the hill country of Germany. the wife drives the 3er every day down narrow twisty roads without an issue. That car has the Michelin x-ice tires. With the factory all seasons it could barely move.
Mind you. We do come from South Dakota, Which is snow country and grew up with rear drive.

In the end. It's all about the tires and one's driving abilities. All seasons are all compromise. Get a set of skinny winters, leave the sport button off and slow down. You'll be fine.
 
LOL, bit of a blizzard going on outside, and my winter tyres are sat in the garage a tohme (I'm at work) coz I can't get the bloody wheel nuts undone, they're stuck solid...grrr! :x
 
sp3ctre said:
LOL, bit of a blizzard going on outside, and my winter tyres are sat in the garage a tohme (I'm at work) coz I can't get the bloody wheel nuts undone, they're stuck solid...grrr! :x

I hate it when my nuts get stuck! :cry:
 
This will be my first Winter in a decade with no readily available 4x4.

Without Winter tyre the Zed is next to useless on snow. It's only that the average driver on here has a bit more knowledge about what they are doing that they can get anywhere.That said I got stuck in our village last year on in the car park of the rail station. It's perfectly flat!, but tryre track later froxen were enough to capture tha Zed!!

Regualr trips to Aberdeen - I'd have Winter tyres on and a plan B
 
Excluding ground clearance, a zed with winter tyres will probably be better in the snow than any other car without winters (4x4 included).

A 4x4 gives a false sense of security, as it is only superior in traction, but when braking all cars are the same. Although obviously a 4x4 with winters is the best possible combination,
 
Mister_dj said:
Excluding ground clearance, a zed with winter tyres will probably be better in the snow than any other car without winters (4x4 included).

Better than any other car??????
 
Mister_dj said:
Excluding ground clearance, a zed with winter tyres will probably be better in the snow than any other car without winters (4x4 included).

A 4x4 gives a false sense of security, as it is only superior in traction, but when braking all cars are the same. Although obviously a 4x4 with winters is the best possible combination,

Its traction in the snow that a Z lacks...no weight over the driven wheels...............
 
Im pretty sure a defender with normal tyres will be better, round here they climb ridiculous hills in all conditions I would say when the weather really comes in they are the only vehicles on the road, well defenders, discos, land cruisers plus the other typical farm vehicles like tractors.. If the weather gets bad I will take some pics, last year up Alston (hartside) the road was closed for a few weeks, there were snow drifts 6ft tall they had to be cut out... That is real snow not the mamsy pamsy stuff that stops everything in this country, roads with no attention over the winter. Fun driving on them tho, especially in a tractor.

Last year I helped unload a lorry that got stuck up the pass, it had a 18ft snow drift on one side and burried the thing! But it was full of deliveries for the more remote villages, so we dug it out and carried the creates on the tractor! :thumbsup:

British intuition haha
 
Hunter said:
Mister_dj said:
Excluding ground clearance, a zed with winter tyres will probably be better in the snow than any other car without winters (4x4 included).

A 4x4 gives a false sense of security, as it is only superior in traction, but when braking all cars are the same. Although obviously a 4x4 with winters is the best possible combination,

Its traction in the snow that a Z lacks...no weight over the driven wheels...............
Couple of 10kg bags of grit in the boot! I've not had to resort to that myself, but I never once struggled for traction in my Z4 with winter tyres last year. The limiting factor is the ground clearance but I was probably being overly cautious.

Tyres are a main factor. Taking comparable cars a RWD on cold-weather tyres will outperform a 4WD version of the same car on "summer" tyres.
 
Ever heard of the technique in newly fallen snow, never on ice, of putting the car sideways so the tyre sidewalls dig into the snow creating a wedge.

With its low ride height, gonna deffo be a brown trouser job whatever emergency snow stop you try, but as my Zed's lucky enough to go into hibernation over the winter months, gonna take special effort to never drive it on snow/ice, ever...
 
Snow? Nah, don't get that down here!

If we do, the Zed will be tucked up in the garage. Not worth the risk IMO. It will only snow for a few days or a week at the most on the south coast. Remember it's not only you that might make a mistake but all the other numpties on the road. Especially down here where we rarely get proper snow, so people have no idea how to deal with it when it does come! :driving:

We have a Honda Civic as a daily driver. Not sure whether to get snow socks or winter tyres for it, or leave it as it is. Always have use of the company Shogun with mud tyres on it if it comes down to it! :evil:
 
Mister_dj said:
Excluding ground clearance, a zed with winter tyres will probably be better in the snow than any other car without winters (4x4 included).

A 4x4 gives a false sense of security, as it is only superior in traction, but when braking all cars are the same. Although obviously a 4x4 with winters is the best possible combination,

I understand the sentiment of what you're saying but it is a bit far fetched in it's broad brush generality.

The achilles heal of the Zed is a combination of RWD, low rear end weight, wide tyres and too much power, aside being too low. Add to that low profile (so can't be aired down for compliance traction without risk of rim damage) and it's dead in the water. Winter tyres make some significant improvement, but any light weight FWD supermini on narrow tyres with weight over the front will out perform it on snow and ice.

While 4x4 do give greater traction to pull away they also give greater stability in corners by applying power to 2 or 4 wheels (depending on design). Granted that if you lock the brakes then they''ll slide regardless as that's the laws of physics. However, add the weight which cuts better into snow, generally more aggressive tyres AP or even MT's, narrower and again it will perform better.

As a regular 4x4 competitor in muddy terrain and Ice events in the Alps, Sweden, etc. I can explain further why I take the Jeep not the Zed if required :)

For my sins this year I now have the ultimate useless cars in a Zed and Jag XF for Winter driving and may have to get competition cars out to get around - should be fun...
 
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