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Scammers

sp3ctre

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I have been notified of another scammer operating on here. They typically PM saying someone has a part and to email directly.

The user has been removed and everyone who has received their messages will have had a message from me warning them, but please be vigilant and let me know if you receive any such messages.

Thanks,
 
Is that also an indication that you have the ability to read people's private messages (pm's) to others?
 
Chris_D said:
Is that also an indication that you have the ability to read people's private messages (pm's) to others?

Of course I can,… but I don’t.

This user was obviously a scammer and so needed to be looked into to avoid people getting scammed.

I have no interest in what messages people send to each other.

To clarify, I was alerted to this by a user who they were trying to scam.
 
So the 'P' in 'PM' which stands for 'Private' is pretty redundant then.
Ok, thanks for clarifying that.
 
I was being scammed and said who was doing it. So my received message was read. Necessary and reasonable.
 
It's an interesting point about messaging. Previously, from a software engineering point of view, "Private" simply meant "Not Public". I rather assumed all messaging was capable of being accessed. It's only in the last few years with things like WhatsApp banging the drum about end-to-end security that anyone probably even considered whether or not messages were visible to site admins. Years ago it would have never occurred to me that encrypting such things was a possibility, and I would never have expected a bit of Freeware like phpBB to do it, if it had.

However, anywhere where the source code can be altered, whether a forum or WhatsApp, inserting a bit of code to intercept a key between two correspondants to allow a bit of snooping (or even just copy the messages prior to encrypting) wouldn't be terribly hard. In the case of WhatsApp etc they are kept in line by the fear they may be found out and a possible actual moral belief in their Ts&Cs. For a two man and a dog forum, no-one would ever know. Which means that, in the end on here, nothing changes - don't post anything on the internet you don't want people to know about!
 
Private means "not on the open forum" smorris_12 is absolutely correct. If you don't want it on the internet don't type it! :thumbsup:
 
Chris_D said:
So the 'P' in 'PM' which stands for 'Private' is pretty redundant then.
Ok, thanks for clarifying that.

Thanks for clarifying what kind of person you are 🍩
 
Does anyone seriously think Spectre has the time or inclination to scan over personal pm's...?

Notwithstanding that....trust perhaps.... :roll:
 
john-e89 said:
Does anyone seriously think Spectre has the time or inclination to scan over personal pm's...?

Especially not when you go whinging to people about other members via pm's John...eh? Know what I mean John?
 
Chris_D said:
john-e89 said:
Does anyone seriously think Spectre has the time or inclination to scan over personal pm's...?

Especially not when you go whinging to people about other members via pm's John...eh? Know what I mean John?

🤣. Same old little Lenny…can’t deal with anyone else’s opinion. Time for a nappy change son, you’re obvs chaffing.
 
smorris_12 said:
It's an interesting point about messaging. Previously, from a software engineering point of view, "Private" simply meant "Not Public". I rather assumed all messaging was capable of being accessed. It's only in the last few years with things like WhatsApp banging the drum about end-to-end security that anyone probably even considered whether or not messages were visible to site admins. Years ago it would have never occurred to me that encrypting such things was a possibility, and I would never have expected a bit of Freeware like phpBB to do it, if it had.

However, anywhere where the source code can be altered, whether a forum or WhatsApp, inserting a bit of code to intercept a key between two correspondants to allow a bit of snooping (or even just copy the messages prior to encrypting) wouldn't be terribly hard. In the case of WhatsApp etc they are kept in line by the fear they may be found out and a possible actual moral belief in their Ts&Cs. For a two man and a dog forum, no-one would ever know. Which means that, in the end on here, nothing changes - don't post anything on the internet you don't want people to know about!

I wasn't going to address this issue as it wasn't the point of the original post, but seeing how you penned a quite eloquent response I thought I'd also chime in.

You are spot on from a technical perspective, and in almost all aspects of the Internet the person with the "keys" to the hosting account can almost always access all the data in one way or another. That's where there has to be a level of trust... but that's not unique to the Internet:

- You trust your postman not to steal/read your physical mail
- You trust the receptionist at the Doctors with your medical records
- You trust your Mobile Phone provider with your SMS's
- You trust your email provider not to go through your mail (unless you are with Gmail, then they openly do that and sell the data, lol!)

... and the list goes on...

I honestly have no inclination to read people's PM's... it's a car forum not a swinging site, so I doubt it'd be very interesting anyway!

I do however have a duty of care (not necessarily legal duty, but moral) to look out for the members of the forum, and if I get warned of a scammer operating I will look into it and if it looks suspicious I will check their sent PM's. You can usually tell what is suspicious... 10 send PM's but only 3 posts, for example.
 
sp3ctre said:
smorris_12 said:
It's an interesting point about messaging. Previously, from a software engineering point of view, "Private" simply meant "Not Public". I rather assumed all messaging was capable of being accessed. It's only in the last few years with things like WhatsApp banging the drum about end-to-end security that anyone probably even considered whether or not messages were visible to site admins. Years ago it would have never occurred to me that encrypting such things was a possibility, and I would never have expected a bit of Freeware like phpBB to do it, if it had.

However, anywhere where the source code can be altered, whether a forum or WhatsApp, inserting a bit of code to intercept a key between two correspondants to allow a bit of snooping (or even just copy the messages prior to encrypting) wouldn't be terribly hard. In the case of WhatsApp etc they are kept in line by the fear they may be found out and a possible actual moral belief in their Ts&Cs. For a two man and a dog forum, no-one would ever know. Which means that, in the end on here, nothing changes - don't post anything on the internet you don't want people to know about!

I wasn't going to address this issue as it wasn't the point of the original post, but seeing how you penned a quite eloquent response I thought I'd also chime in.

You are spot on from a technical perspective, and in almost all aspects of the Internet the person with the "keys" to the hosting account can almost always access all the data in one way or another. That's where there has to be a level of trust... but that's not unique to the Internet:

- You trust your postman not to steal/read your physical mail
- You trust the receptionist at the Doctors with your medical records
- You trust your Mobile Phone provider with your SMS's
- You trust your email provider not to go through your mail (unless you are with Gmail, then they openly do that and sell the data, lol!)

... and the list goes on...

I honestly have no inclination to read people's PM's... it's a car forum not a swinging site, so I doubt it'd be very interesting anyway!

I do however have a duty of care (not necessarily legal duty, but moral) to look out for the members of the forum, and if I get warned of a scammer operating I will look into it and if it looks suspicious I will check their sent PM's. You can usually tell what is suspicious... 10 send PM's but only 3 posts, for example.
Please keep it up.
Fully endorsed from me. :thumbsup:
 
john-e89 said:
Chris_D said:
john-e89 said:
Does anyone seriously think Spectre has the time or inclination to scan over personal pm's...?

Especially not when you go whinging to people about other members via pm's John...eh? Know what I mean John?

🤣. Same old little Lenny…can’t deal with anyone else’s opinion. Time for a nappy change son, you’re obvs chaffing.
You'll be sending me a pm aswell later then, you whinger minger.
:lol:
 
sp3ctre said:
I wasn't going to address this issue as it wasn't the point of the original post, but seeing how you penned a quite eloquent response I thought I'd also chime in.

You are spot on from a technical perspective, and in almost all aspects of the Internet the person with the "keys" to the hosting account can almost always access all the data in one way or another. That's where there has to be a level of trust... but that's not unique to the Internet:

- You trust your postman not to steal/read your physical mail
- You trust the receptionist at the Doctors with your medical records
- You trust your Mobile Phone provider with your SMS's
- You trust your email provider not to go through your mail (unless you are with Gmail, then they openly do that and sell the data, lol!)

... and the list goes on...

I honestly have no inclination to read people's PM's... it's a car forum not a swinging site, so I doubt it'd be very interesting anyway!

I do however have a duty of care (not necessarily legal duty, but moral) to look out for the members of the forum, and if I get warned of a scammer operating I will look into it and if it looks suspicious I will check their sent PM's. You can usually tell what is suspicious... 10 send PM's but only 3 posts, for example.

Well I'm glad someone is looking out for scammers so thank you for doing just that. :thumbsup:
 
Mr Tidy said:
sp3ctre said:
I wasn't going to address this issue as it wasn't the point of the original post, but seeing how you penned a quite eloquent response I thought I'd also chime in.

You are spot on from a technical perspective, and in almost all aspects of the Internet the person with the "keys" to the hosting account can almost always access all the data in one way or another. That's where there has to be a level of trust... but that's not unique to the Internet:

- You trust your postman not to steal/read your physical mail
- You trust the receptionist at the Doctors with your medical records
- You trust your Mobile Phone provider with your SMS's
- You trust your email provider not to go through your mail (unless you are with Gmail, then they openly do that and sell the data, lol!)

... and the list goes on...

I honestly have no inclination to read people's PM's... it's a car forum not a swinging site, so I doubt it'd be very interesting anyway!

I do however have a duty of care (not necessarily legal duty, but moral) to look out for the members of the forum, and if I get warned of a scammer operating I will look into it and if it looks suspicious I will check their sent PM's. You can usually tell what is suspicious... 10 send PM's but only 3 posts, for example.

Well I'm glad someone is looking out for scammers so thank you for doing just that. :thumbsup:
Ditto, thanks :thumbsup:
 
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