Run Flat Warning not working

Red Law

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Yorkshire
I've advocated RFTs previously having found myself in Germany on a road trip with a 'flat' when I did a spot check at petrol station on a Sunday evening. I'dve been stuffed for the night otherwise. On that occassion I filled the culprit tyre up, reset the RFS and checked pressure for the next few days - all fine.

Skip forwards 3 months to last Sunday evening and I pull onto a layby on the north of Isle of Skye to take a photo and catch something in a rear wheel. I check it out and to my horror see the inside tread of the same culprit tyre down to threads for a good 10 inches down the edge. We are properly in the sticks, I have no phone signal, the rain is starting, my wife is in the car and pregnant...... :o oh, and I still don't know why something is scraping somewhere. :cry:

So it's a slow drive for about 25 miles and thankfully we reach a petrol station with air - the culpit tyre is 0.8 bar so I raise it to 2.4 to get us back to the hotel 15 miles away and reset the RFS. The scraping also stopped after a few dozen meters after the layby so was probably a stone chip in the wheel picked up there, thankfully that happened to make me take a look.

The next morning we take another slow drive to a petrol station and it's 1.8. NO WARNINGS. I can't source a tyre locally that day and we're due home later for work the next day (300+ miles away) so it's a slowish drive with regular air stops but keeps to around 2.2 - 2.3 no problem. Made it after a very long, slow drive on minor roads with a new tyre ordered and ready for the next morning - nail was deep in the old one. Now thinking regular tyres plus weld and inflation kit next to the battery well would be better - at least you get a visual on the tyre pressure and know not to rely on RFS working.

The only sign of the issue is that my fuel consumption has improved by 20%. I did wonder why I was getting better mpg on the continent but assummed it was either more economical driving on country roads as it's mainly motorway at home, or possible better quality petrol than my local.

I hold my hand up for being an idiot not checking the tyres regularly and assuming the RFS would let me know if they dropped by enough to warrant a top up, but am I being stupid like it is only expected to warn you if it's a rapid drop in pressure, or is it ******???? Surely you're more likely to realise a rapid drop from the cause rather than notice a slow puncture/gradual drop when the warning could draw your attention. Anyone know how this should trigger the telltail light? I'm going to let a load of air out this weekend and see if that triggers it before I press Stratstone on their 12 month used car gaurantee.

Oh, and my drivers wing mirror dropped off this week too (no not a Sunday evening) just after a few miles of a 75 mile motorway stretch to get home. :headbang: Not particularly impressed with BMW at this point though I do thoroughly enjoy the Z ordinarily.
 
The low tyre pressure warning on European spec cars uses the ABS system to reads the relative rotation of wheels on the same axle. Low pressure reduces the rolling radius of a wheel so it rotates at a different speed. Obviously it only works when you are moving and I have read that it needs to be re-set correctly and lots of stories about it not really being that efficient.

I know I'm biased as I think RFTs are the devils spawn but they are obviously not well suited to this monitoring system as they are designed to maintain their sidewall profile when deflated, which in turn means there is relatively little reduction in rolling radius - particularly at high speed which 'grows' a tyres with centrifugal action :cry:

I believe the US spec system uses a real tyre pressure monitor which seems like a much smarter idea.

I would get the dealer to stick the car on the box and check for any unresolved fault codes just in case, particularly sice it's wrapped up with the ABS system.
 
Thanks Ewzix. Sounds like an odd design when they could use pressure monitors for more accuracy; I must've done 6k over these 3 months with no indication of a problem. Mostly at motorway speed :| . It was a rear wheel too so probably even less noticable directly.

Next major tyre change the lot are being replaced by Falken 452s as I see these are quite a popular choice on here as evidenced by your good self too. Had the two front Bridgestones changed as part of the deal when I bought in April, plus this rear one so probably a good year or before I do.

Time for dealership warranty angst for test/resolution.
 
I've always had suspicions about the systems accuracy as any warnings I've had seem to occur at relatively large pressure losses.

I guess its a good lesson that its a puncture warning more than anything and that theres no substitute for regular maintenance checks :poke: :)
 
Red Law said:
Thanks Ewzix. Sounds like an odd design when they could use pressure monitors for more accuracy; I must've done 6k over these 3 months with no indication of a problem. Mostly at motorway speed :| . It was a rear wheel too so probably even less noticable directly.

Next major tyre change the lot are being replaced by Falken 452s as I see these are quite a popular choice on here as evidenced by your good self too. Had the two front Bridgestones changed as part of the deal when I bought in April, plus this rear one so probably a good year or before I do.

Time for dealership warranty angst for test/resolution.

Tyres are obviously quite subjective but I have to say that the Falken suits the suspension characteristics on my car, in that they are actually still quite stiff-walled for a non-RFT, but have sufficient 'give' to virtually eliminate the epic tramlining, terrifying mid-corner bump-steer and CD skipping. You will sacrifice a little turn in sharpness but A-B times on less than perfect roads will be much quicker and less heart stopping.

Once you switch from the original 'Flintstone Gripless' RFTs the tyre pressure system will almost certainly activate after a few miles, but re-set per the book and all should be well.
 
lacroupade said:
I've always had suspicions about the systems accuracy as any warnings I've had seem to occur at relatively large pressure losses.

I guess its a good lesson that its a puncture warning more than anything and that theres no substitute for regular maintenance checks :poke: :)

Absolutely. Lesson learned. :oops: Just glad the apparent stone in the wheel prompted me to look before the drive home. Life works in mysterious ways as they say.

Whilst I'm on, I recieved a replacement mirror that I ordered off ebay yesterday:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120569474602&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

The mounting bracket is useless, the heat connectors aren't snug and the glass is a tad small - prob better if I'd have adjusted the mounting slightly before positioning as the adhesive has taken well. For £14 compared to £116 dealer it'll do at least for now and not noticable.

Right, car's washed and roadworthy again, where's that sun... 8)
 
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