One of a kind - need cash

[axelleveau]

Just came across this on Marketplace. Not sure what to think about it regarding quality/price/purpose but seems cool

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/706763127889995

 

[B21]

At 75k I think its opportunistic pricing…not denying the work that’s gone into it..

A tweaked N54 would have given more power and would have been spiritually closer to a real GT3

 

[Pondrew]

There was another white one in full 'transformer spec' for sale for months a while back. It was only £15k and he still couldn't sell it.

 

[ori]

75k!!!!!!!!!! Wooooooah

Don’t get me wrong, it’s a really nice car, but 75k!?!?!?!?!?

 

[RAYK47]

Personally it's not my taste. Fully appreciate the work that has gone into it but I am not a fan of these on the road.

 

[Nictrix]

There was another white one in full 'transformer spec' for sale for months a while back. It was only £15k and he still couldn't sell it.

This used to be white

 

[Nictrix]

At 75k I think its opportunistic pricing…not denying the work that’s gone into it..

A tweaked N54 would have given more power and would have been spiritually closer to a real GT3

Its still taxed as a 2.5L

 

[Pondrew]

Its still taxed as a 2.5L

The one for sale before was an N20 (18i) and a very late one. 2016 IIRC with extremely low mileage. It wasn't the same looking cos the other one had full front wheelarches!

Could you imagine the mess those front 1/2 wings would make on British roads? Gravel rash at it's finest!

Edit: just read the advert properly. If it has a new tuned LS3 and Tremec gearbox, those alone would have cost around £20k to get it them here and be ready to run.
Lots and lots spent by the look of it, but utterly useless as a car to actually drive.

 

[john-e89]

At 75k I think its opportunistic pricing…not denying the work that’s gone into it..

A tweaked N54 would have given more power and would have been spiritually closer to a real GT3

How is a twin turbo 6 closer spiritually to a GT3 than a V8…? :?

 

[MikeyH]

I know I’m on my own here but they’ve turned a beautiful car into a pig. What the hell for?

 

[Mr Tidy]

B21 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:04 pm
At 75k I think its opportunistic pricing…not denying the work that’s gone into it..

A tweaked N54 would have given more power and would have been spiritually closer to a real GT3
How is a twin turbo 6 closer spiritually to a GT3 than a V8…?

Someone threw loads of money at building it, but as a road car I just wouldn't want it!

And any GT3 replica surely needed an S65 engine?

 

[john-e89]

B21 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 7:04 pm
At 75k I think its opportunistic pricing…not denying the work that’s gone into it..

A tweaked N54 would have given more power and would have been spiritually closer to a real GT3


How is a twin turbo 6 closer spiritually to a GT3 than a V8…?

Someone threw loads of money at building it, but as a road car I just wouldn't want it!

And any GT3 replica surely needed an S65 engine?

If an N54 would have been the best choice for racing these cars then that’s what would have been used….unless I’m missing something… :? BMW even did the hard work of making an N54 fit the Z4 long before they went racing them…wouid have been a no brainier…but they didn’t.

 

[Pondrew]

A tweaked N54 would have given more power and would have been spiritually closer to a real GT3

A tweaked N54 is never, ever going to hold a candle to a tweaked LS3. The LS3 is the modern utopia of ICE engines in most of the Western world. Have you seen the torque they produce as standard?

The Americans have a saying; "there is no replacement for displacement". It's a 6.2 litre 2 valve n/a monster out of the box.

 

[B21]

At 75k I think its opportunistic pricing…not denying the work that’s gone into it..

A tweaked N54 would have given more power and would have been spiritually closer to a real GT3

How is a twin turbo 6 closer spiritually to a GT3 than a V8…? :?

It’s a question of timing and succession…500 BHP wasn’t available in a straight six at the time the die was set for the GT3 car.

That V8 was replaced for competition use by the S55 and then the S58..all sixes..now able to make well over 500 BHP..

The S55 being a descendant of the N54.

The LS3 is a 2 valve , push rod operated non variable valve timing tractor engine peaking at 6,000 rpm..apart from being a V8 it has no cultural connection to BMW and its cars in any form..

The V8 from BMW had variable valve timing, twin overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder, the GT3 used energy recuperation..all aspects of N54s, S55 and S58s..

Why put a cheap and expedient US engine in a BMW one of a kind…

Might as well put an electric motor from Hoover in it..

 

[john-e89]

At 75k I think its opportunistic pricing…not denying the work that’s gone into it..

A tweaked N54 would have given more power and would have been spiritually closer to a real GT3

How is a twin turbo 6 closer spiritually to a GT3 than a V8…? :?

It’s a question of timing and succession…500 BHP wasn’t available in a straight six at the time the die was set for the GT3 car.

That V8 was replaced for competition use by the S55 and then the S58..all sixes..now able to make well over 500 BHP..

The S55 being a descendant of the N54.

The LS3 is a 2 valve , push rod operated non variable valve timing tractor engine peaking at 6,000 rpm..apart from being a V8 it has no cultural connection to BMW and its cars in any form..

The V8 from BMW had variable valve timing, twin overhead cams, 4 valves per cylinder, the GT3 used energy recuperation..all aspects of N54s, S55 and S58s..

Why put a cheap and expedient US engine in a BMW one of a kind…

Might as well put an electric motor from Hoover in it..

The point I think you’re missing is that car for sale is a GT3 rep from the period built as a promotional vehicle for VAD. It’s clearly and obviously not built to be the perfect bang up to date best there is performance car to compete with engine power willy wavers.

They’ve built it how they want it with a V8, not how people who have nothing to do with its input say it should be. Personally I’ve never heard an N54 sound anything like a V8… Sound would seem .pretty important to this project as that’s the route they’ve chosen. Might just be me overthinking it and giving them just a tiny bit of intellectual credit they don’t deserve but as they’re in this game for a living I’d imagine they already know there are other engines in the world….maybe other engines don’t fit the set out budget they have for a promotional vehicle, maybe they had access to a V8 for their V8 rep already and thus didn't need to spend a lot on a promotional vehicle….personally I have no idea, I’m just trying to think of why they went this route rather than putting my blinkers on and only seeing this promotional vehicle as a tool for other reasons than what it was originally set out to achieve.

Others are free to build their own car with whatever engine they want to put in it, throw a washing machine motor in it if that floats your boat, it’s your build and money, this is theirs and I’d think they know what they’re doing. Imagine the comments they’d get if they lifted the bonnet on their promotional GT3 race car rep to find a little N54 in there looking totally lost and not what a GT3 engine did look like, whooshing and turbo popping just like the engine in a real GT3 didn’t…. ..”Where’s the V8 in your V8 race car rep…” ?? :scratchhead: ….is a comment that possibly could be made…

 

[True-Blue]

This was at Zedfest last year…. It drew attention, but the many of the whispered comments weren’t complimentary.

£75K………

I would have probably thought this was amazing in 1986 when I was driving around in a wide-bodied fiat X19 with a 2ltr Lancia twin cam engine swap and twin 45’s

 

[mmm-five]

Would probably still be slower than me in a Alfa 147 JTD across Forest of Bowland roads