M54 squealing

tomrdy

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Sydney, Australia
Decided to document this while I trouble shoot - hopefully it's resolved later and useful to someone else.

Currently trying to sort out a constant belt/pulley squeal from the motor (like a pig dying). Originally only appeared on occasional cold starts but now is a permanent guest.

Belts

All new belts in and no change. Poo. Must be a bearing or pulley.

AC Drive

I started by eliminating the AC side by removing the belt and starting the motor. No change. The AC pulley had no play, very smooth. Same with the tensioner pulley - no noticeable play and smooth silent operation.

Definitely the main drive side then. By ear, it does sound like it's from the idler/alternator.


Main Drive

Water pump - smooth when rotated by hand, and near no play. I say near as I originally felt 0, but after further push/pulling, could discern something very very slight though I'm hoping it is just some tolerance.

Alternator - no play on pulley and very smooth spun by hand.

Idler pulley - no play, and generally smooth spin by hand slowly though when I try to hard spin it, I hear it sort of "catches" and stops.

Tensioner pulley - this free spins and has bearing noise, very unlike the AC tensioner. There is also quite a lot of play in the pulley. For context, if I wriggle it by hand, I can hear the play as the pulley knocks. When free spinning, it also seems to catch itself and stop. The spring still feels damn strong but I have nothing to compare it to (it's stronger than the AC tensioner that's for sure).

Lower deflection pulley - extremely free spinning. Slight play, but much less than the tensioner. It will spin for a good while when hard spun, though with bearing noise like a skateboard.


Plan of attack

So, I have ordered replacement idler, tensioner and lower deflection pulley - though the third will not arrive for a few weeks due to stock.

I will have the other 2 early next week so will change those out first and see. Hopefully one of them is the culprit so the Z can at least be drivable if needed while the third pulley arrives and be changed as a pre-emptive item.

If anyone has any thoughts or advice please share! I am hoping that it doesn't end up as the water pump as that seems like much more fuss!
 
Just did my water pump and it’s much easier than I expected- happily give you guidance if needed
 
I had a similar problem on my e89 engine a few weeks ago with a high pitch squeal, changed the belts but still there, changed oil filter still there, went to my local garage and he smoke tested for leaks and said it was the crank case vent valve which was making the noise, all work done for £500.00 with Labour :headbang:

Lucky for me it was still under 3 month warranty and the sales garage paid me back :thumbsup:

No noise now and drives perfect 👌
 
Sounds reasonable to start with the cheap parts that wear out anyway. Starting the engine a few seconds without the serpentine belt would confirm that it actually is a noise from the pulleys, water pump or alternator.
 
bigwinn said:
Just did my water pump and it’s much easier than I expected- happily give you guidance if needed

Thanks mate if that happens to be the case I'll absolutely be leveraging yours and the forums knowledge! I've tackled the vanos job and it doesn't seem much harder?

DMike said:
Sounds reasonable to start with the cheap parts that wear out anyway. Starting the engine a few seconds without the serpentine belt would confirm that it actually is a noise from the pulleys, water pump or alternator.

Hadn't occured to me it wouldn't be there so good shout :thumbsup: ! Just started the car for 5 secs and absolutely no sound so we are on the right track!
 
Does it sound like this at all? .... https://z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=120798&p=1728536#p1728536
 
I had this same problem with my Zed a couple of years ago. It was the main belt tensioner pulley that was the culprit. Replaced it with a Febi Bilstein item. Sweet silence ! :thumbsup:
 
Swapped 2 of the 3 pulleys over today:

- Idler
- Main drive tensioner

All good! The old idler when I got it out and spun it hard, screeched like a banshee!

The lower pulley is probably on it's way out - free spins but no screeching - so I'll swap that out as soon as I get the replacement. At least the car is usable again :thumbsup:

Not a hard job to swap these out as long as you have a decent socket set.
 
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