M5 vs GT-R
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A most excellent review and I agree that the inside of the M5 is a much better place to be for cruising or everyday use, as I have said previously its the pricing policy that is completely wrong. The 535 has 95% of the performance of the M5 for 60% of the cost.
With the launch of the RS4 @ £58k later this year, it will be interesting to see how this compares against the M5
With the launch of the RS4 @ £58k later this year, it will be interesting to see how this compares against the M5
sars said:
Sars - I am pretty sure the RS4 is in Avant form only (details on Autocar/Evo website). It will also be over 100BHP down and 200lb ft of torque down, whilst weighing only about 100-150kg less so performance wise it will be well off the pace.
I agree on M5 (and M6) pricing - both around £10-15k too high but I suspect good discounts could be negotiated on both. To say the 535d would have 95% of the M5's performance though is wide of the mark. Have you seen the full road test figures in Autocar for the M5? The in-gear acceleration times are phenomenal ! There is no way the 535d is going to get anywhere near that. For example 0-60 in 4.3, 0-100 in 9.0 and 0-150 in 19.9 (quicker than a Ferrari 430). Even the M diesels will struggle to get within 10% of the M5 and they will be much closer on price.
Two friends of mine, brothers, one had a GTR and the other the V10 M5 new a couple of years ago both cars were phenomenal, unfortunately the GTR's brakes failed after servicing in ST Helens, it turns out that it is a hush hush problem with them, Nissan bought it back from him after he said he would go to the press about it, one has a 911 GTS now and the other an Audi S8 although they are glad they had the other cars they both prefer the ones they have now .
Ha !! Brilliant !!Adamski said:
Love the GTR - Guy up my street has one in white and its absolutely amazing - looks and sound wise - Its massive too- I can't believe it the stats its capable of - Its like a space shuttle for the road!!Nissan must lose money on every single one !!
original guvnor said:
But were not talking about a track car here, where every bit of performance can be utilised, no this is about a fast road car and on the public roads a 535 will give you 95% of the usable performance of the M5 at a fraction of the cost. As for the RS4, this argument is even more relative, of course the performance figures don't match that of the M5, 288 bhp/tonnes as opposed to 253 bhp/tonne, but as an everyday high performance family car, its going to be a much better proposition for 99% of drivers, especially with our climate.
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Not much use though if I don't want an estate ! nor is an RS5 if I want a car that won't understeer continually, has three doors and cramped rear seats. I can live with the fact that I don't have 4WD on the 2 days a year (if we have a bad winter) that snow brings things to a standstill. Oh and if I've got £75k to buy an M5 I can afford £2-3k for some winter wheels and tyres which will mean it probably cope as well as an RS4 on summer tyres.
I still disagree with the comparison with the 535d. The M5 will torch it in any gear at any speed and any revs. Those 0- times aren't things you replicate in every day driving but what they do illustrate is the enormous power, but more importantly torque that the M5 has. The power in the latest version is so much more accessible than the old E60 version because of the torque. It's got 80nM more than the 535d and 247hp more. The 535d also red-lines at 4,400 versus 7,000 for the M5. 50-70 mph in 1.7 seconds for example - very useable, 60-80 in 2.2 seconds also very useable and quicker than an R8V10, RS6, and virtually identical to a Gallardo Lp560-4. I'm not trying to nit-pick but that kind of lazy argument about "oh you could buy so and so for half the price and get 90% of the performance" is often bandied around but it is (very) wide of the mark. What it fails to realise is that some of us actually like to occasionally rev our cars to 7,000 and access the performance in that way. Not much good if your oil-burner calls time on all the fun at 4,400. The accessible power bands on these modern diesels are very narrow still. For that reason I don't believe anyone seriously in the market for an M5 would even consider a 535d.
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Breaker said:Kryton said:sars said:
Kudos as in the car that most people would like if they could afford one, a Nissan is a Nissan
I'd take the Nissan! Every footballers wife/builder on a tax screw/middle management of a bank has a Porsche!
They are big cars though those GTR's!!
Cannot beat this for looks/desirability, mine will be same as this and only 2 weeks to go
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The GTR is definitely amazing, but something is wrong with that first video. They claim a lateral acceleration of 1.4 and change? Fifth Gear a while ago measured 1.09 g for the GTR. That's quite a difference. I'm not sure I believe 1.4 g. The Fifth Gear measurement compared the GTR's 1.09 to a 911 GT3, which came up to 1.07 g. Those sound more like real numbers.
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Breaker said:
Yes the time is passing rather slow now
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BMWZ4MC said:Go for a drive...
Did that now what :?