Lack of hill assist

[tigor]

I’m in the market for an E89 and had been looking at the 23i but more likely to get a newer 20i. I see these don’t come with hill assist. Without sounding too dumb, how do you drive off a hill without this feature and no handbrake lever? Can you find the biting point and drive against the e-brake to release it without needing to press the brake pedal?

Excuse my ignorance.

 

[Bristolcot90]

I would of thought it had hill assist? Pretty sure my e85 does either that or I’m super quick on the clutch…

My VW has an electronic handbrake and when I pull away it will automatically take it off for me, maybe the same principal for the e89?

 

[The.Analyst]

You can code hill assist if you are worried. Before that you can see if it’s already coded.

 

[tiglon]

I must have had it on my manual 30i because I don't remember having any issues with this. Even without I can't see any reason why you wouldn't be able to do it the same way as with an old fashioned handbrake.

 

[Chippie]

Hi and welcome to the forum. I think you right about hill assist not being fitted to the entry level e89’s (18 and 20), an auto box should hold the car or with the manual find the bite and then press the handbrake switch.

 

[tigor]

I currently have a 2020 X1 (auto) and to release the ebrake I need to press the brake pedal. I can’t see how this translates to a manual with finding a biting point. Would require a third leg.

 

[Mr Tidy]

All of my BMWs have been manuals, but my 3 E86 Z4s, E91 and E90 had hill-start assistance that just turned off when I pulled away and mechanical hand-brakes.

ebrake seems like a solution to a problem that didn't exist!

 

[PointedMarlin]

I have a 23i - 2011 - manual (don’t know if this makes a difference)

I was very surprised (plus looked like a bit of a tit) first time I pulled up at lights & put the handbrake on then proceeded to go nowhere when the lights went green!

I was greeted by a big bong & a warning picture of the parking brake symbol on the computer dash though - so that was nice :wink:

Honestly I find that you can hit the bite point quite intuitively & I do a lot of hillstarts. The most potentially irritating thing is that everyone behind you at lights expects you to smoke them & unless you remove the handbrake before the lights change the driver behind you is often right up your rear

 

[tigor]

If you can’t drive against the ebrake, can you release it without pressing the brake pedal?

 

[tomjonesBT33]

My Z4 M is the first manual car that I’ve had with hill assist. If the car your considering doesn’t have that feature, then I’d assume you would need to use the old fashioned method of a quick right foot.

 

[SV8Predator]

You can code hill assist if you are worried. Before that you can see if it’s already coded.

Not on a E89 2.0 you can't.

 

[B21]

You can code hill assist if you are worried. Before that you can see if it’s already coded.

Not on a E89 2.0 you can't.

Why can’t you?

 

[Deepseaskateboard]

You can code hill assist if you are worried. Before that you can see if it’s already coded.

Not on a E89 2.0 you can't.

Why can’t you?

I am guessing it works or can be coded on an automatic, but surely not a manual?

For a manual, you just get the bite until the bong sounds, then depress the e-brake.

Not sure how else you could do it?

 

[Deepseaskateboard]

You can code hill assist if you are worried. Before that you can see if it’s already coded.

Not on a E89 2.0 you can't.

Why can’t you?

I am guessing it works or can be coded on an automatic, but surely not a manual?

For a manual, you just get the bite until the bong sounds, then depress the e-brake.

Not sure how else you could do it?

 

[B21]

Not on a E89 2.0 you can't.

Why can’t you?

I am guessing it works or can be coded on an automatic, but surely not a manual?

For a manual, you just get the bite until the bong sounds, then depress the e-brake.

Not sure how else you could do it?

Hill assist is one of many functions that can be both toggled on or off and also it’s parameters can be adjusted in the DSC unit.

Whether it’s logical or practical is a separate issue.

There are loads of DSC options, soft stop, soft start, performance brake, pre prime on throttle lift off, wipe discs when wet, e diff, etc etc

 

[Smartbear]

Not on a E89 2.0 you can't.

Why can’t you?

I am guessing it works or can be coded on an automatic, but surely not a manual?

For a manual, you just get the bite until the bong sounds, then depress the e-brake.

Not sure how else you could do it?

My 3.0si had hill start assist & that was a manual, it just holds the brake for a small amount of time so not sure why that would exclude manual cars? :?
Rob

 

[srhutch]

Why can’t you?

I am guessing it works or can be coded on an automatic, but surely not a manual?

For a manual, you just get the bite until the bong sounds, then depress the e-brake.

Not sure how else you could do it?

Hill assist is one of many functions that can be both toggled on or off and also it’s parameters can be adjusted in the DSC unit.

Whether it’s logical or practical is a separate issue.

There are loads of DSC options, soft stop, soft start, performance brake, pre prime on throttle lift off, wipe discs when wet, e diff, etc etc

 

[srhutch]

I recall there being an issue with hill assist not being available from factory (when ordering on some models). It’s not just a coding issue.

 

[Deepseaskateboard]

I recall there being an issue with hill assist not being available from factory (when ordering on some models). It’s not just a coding issue.

Apparently it’s not on the 4cyl models.
(Which I have)

 

[B21]

I recall there being an issue with hill assist not being available from factory (when ordering on some models). It’s not just a coding issue.

Apparently it’s not on the 4cyl models.
(Which I have)

Two separate issues..early E85s had the previous version change over date was 2006.

Here’s an extract from the DSC 60 fitted to 4 cylinder cars..

Start-off assistant

The start-off assistant prevents the vehicle from moving unexpectedly when the driver moves his foot from the brake pedal to the accelerator pedal (e.g. when pulling away on a hill):

uphill in forward gear
uphill in reverse gear
It does this by maintaining the brake pressure needed to hold the vehicle.

The gradient is recorded by the longitudinal-acceleration sensor in the DSC control unit. From the gradient, the necessary braking torque or engine torque is calculated. When pulling away is detected, brake pressure is reduced as soon as the available engine torque is sufficient to move the vehicle in the direction required. The start-off assistant is deactivated when the parking brake is applied. If no move is made to pull away within 2 seconds of the brake pedal being released, the start-off assistant will be deactivated.