its the future

[NS66]

having a few days away up in Anglesey this coming weekend and will be going in the Z - hope the weathers OK
My daily is an EV (Kia Niro) hate it!! but looking on zap map there are some fast chargers but only 2 in service!! one is reported to charge at only 7 Kwh and the other is £1 per Kw!!!!

its the future apparently - ridiculous

 

[buzyg]

 

[N4LLY]

:thumbsdown:

 

[beanie]

I’ve been using an EV for the last few months and even in a relatively large city, the lack of infrastructure is a pain. We’re constantly having to scrounge a charge or go out of our way to use my garage, picking up wet cables and rolling them up also gets old pretty quickly.

Maybe one day there will be wireless chargers or at least a lot more charging points. Until then I won’t be putting my own money in to an EV.

 

[Nanu]

ow much is a fast charge nowadays compared to petrol?

The cheapest fuel our way is at a local Shell garage at £1.58p for regular.

 

[Mr Tidy]

Thankfully ICE cars will be around long enough to see me out!

Sadly the infrastructure for mass EV adoption just isn't in place yet.

 

[Nictrix]

ow much is a fast charge nowadays compared to petrol?

The cheapest fuel our way is at a local Shell garage at £1.58p for regular.

A friend has a Tesla and Im sure he said using Tesla fast chargers to take from 20% to 80% was about £17

 

[MikeyH]

And when there is the infrastructure we won’t be able to charge because the grid will overheat and blow us all up. :rofl: :rofl:

 

[NS66]

ow much is a fast charge nowadays compared to petrol?

The cheapest fuel our way is at a local Shell garage at £1.58p for regular.

My Niro is 64Kw - but would never take it below 10% - so say I needed 50Kw at £1 thats £50 to charge to 100%
I get about 4 miles per Kw used so 50 Kw gives me 200 miles.

if you work on 200 miles in the Z at 30 mpg (conservative) thats 6.6 gallons (1.60 pl) £7.11 per gallon is £46.93 so very similar.

I think weve been sold a pup!!!

 

[MikeyH]

ow much is a fast charge nowadays compared to petrol?

The cheapest fuel our way is at a local Shell garage at £1.58p for regular.

My Niro is 64Kw - but would never take it below 10% - so say I needed 50Kw at £1 thats £50 to charge to 100%
I get about 4 miles per Kw used so 50 Kw gives me 200 miles.

if you work on 200 miles in the Z at 30 mpg (conservative) thats 6.6 gallons (1.60 pl) £7.11 per gallon is £46.93 so very similar.

I think weve been sold a pup!!!

Doesn't the cost depend on which charger you use or if you do it at home?

 

[NS66]

ow much is a fast charge nowadays compared to petrol?

The cheapest fuel our way is at a local Shell garage at £1.58p for regular.

My Niro is 64Kw - but would never take it below 10% - so say I needed 50Kw at £1 thats £50 to charge to 100%
I get about 4 miles per Kw used so 50 Kw gives me 200 miles.

if you work on 200 miles in the Z at 30 mpg (conservative) thats 6.6 gallons (1.60 pl) £7.11 per gallon is £46.93 so very similar.

I think weve been sold a pup!!!

Doesn't the cost depend on which charger you use or if you do it at home?

Absolutely - home is much cheaper - my tarriff 33.77p per KW
the quick charger rates seem to be going up fast - Instavolt are showing as 66p Swarco 57p Shell Recharge 59p
Was just that one of the only chargers I could see in service on Anglesey was charging £1 per KW - dont think it will be long before this is the benchmark.

 

[DMike]

Last winter, after an incident with my daily, the counterpart’s insurance paid for a rental Polestar for two months. Charging at home it cost next to nothing to run and with a 350km range never had to bother charging during the week - an overnight charge each weekend was sufficient. Tbh, made only one longer trip, to the fells, which wasn’t too bad but required some planning. Way more power than the studded winter tyres could take so never really floored it, but it was plenty fast still.

The daily almost got totalled and, while the evaluation was pending, started looking at Taycans… so I’m definitely a convert, although the charging infra has to be solved and wouldn’t mind, if the batteries had more range.

 

[Chris_D]

I heard that a report was published recently claiming that the average cost per mile for an EV was something like 18p/mile, whereas an equivalent ICE car was 19p/mile.
When you consider the carbon footprint of producing an EV, the return on investment period, the inconvenience of a lack of infrastructure, range limitations and let's not forget the 'driving enjoyment' factor, then the case for EV's doesn't really stack up in the UK.
Here in NL there is more take-up as well as a better infrastructure as well as some tax incentives (although not as many now) but the cost per mile and carbon cost still negates any sort of realistic justification for migrating to an EV.

I was given a Tesla model S to use by a client in Germany last year and while the initial novelty factor of being able to smoke 911 drivers at the lights was a giggle I was left with an overall negative impression in terms of (in order) range anxiety, having to tailor any given long route via charge stations and sh!t build quality of the Tesla.

 

[Nanu]

Just been watching a feature on GBNEWS about EV's and one presenter said there are two independent reports due out in the next couple of weeks based on current pricing. He said they take into account everything from cost, impact on the environment and if the plan of only being able to buy EV's after 2030 is viable.

He didn't give anything away but he said both will shock many people. We wait and see if he is right but my guess it that EV's won't come out as well as people think.

 

[MikeyH]

I would have thought that buying an older ice car is better for the environment as all the manufacturing costs for carbon have long gone. Whereas ev manufacturing costs for carbon must out-way any saving unless you keep the car for at least 18 years and most electricity is produced using none renewables.