Its a classic... Si to M...Yes I searched it ;-)

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Paza3

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Just spent the last 80 mins reading 3.0si to M threads.... so I have established

- That the M costs more to run..
- That it's worse on fuel
- That its ..... etc
- I have to test drive one... London meet :P :wink:

But in the words of Pvr "oo the noise!!"

My direct question is to anyone who has stepped up from a 3.0 si to an M and yes would be a coupe :lol: , Its very early days and may not happen , but I keep wanting M related stuff for my zed and thought ... why not the price difference is hardly anything these days 4-5k tops so thats not an issue. Time I buy a bumper , exhaust etc spend 2k than add no value another 2k you got your price difference to a M = 4-5k.... (As you can see serious case of man maths)

I may note I love my zed , think its great , looks stunning , and cheap to run in my eyes, she only has 36,000 miles just done an inspe 2 so hardly any future costs ... touch wood , and no need to change it as its great :thumbsup:

But the pedigree is a massive draw, and everything that comes with it.

Background:

Will be used few times of week for work so coummute miles 4000-5000 pa 30 mile round trip and pleasure miles maybe 6500-7000 miles in total tops! pa.

I have one issue...

When I owned my 350 it was shocking on fuel and annoyed me filling it up all the time, I think I got maybe 20 mpgs. Is the M bad ???? no city driving will be b roads and the motorway

Thanks guys I know its a well talked subject but interested still in members views

Paza
 
I went from an 3.0is to an M its a different world.
The 3.0si is a great car and I never got bored with it,
but for me it was all about the looks of the M
and being part of the M family, so making my old
3.0si into a looky likely M just seemed wrong to me.
As for the M it more old school to drive,
And forget the 0-60 it all about the mid range get it
around the 4500 rpm mark and hit the carpet it will rip
your face off :evil: so much fun.
 
Interesting thread and one I am thinking about myself. For each new mod I do for my zed, I could put money in a kitty for an ///M. I could skip the white coupe (or roadster :wub: ) and buy and ///M instead.

Z4-itis has got a hold of me, and sadly it's not curable. Next up is a wheel refurb, de amber my front light and get Eibachs. No doubt I'll want an ///M bumper and new rear tail lights too. Once you add all that up I'd be as well buying an ///MR (albeit an early one i.e. 2006)

What is the real world difference - OTHER than running costs. Personally I think my 3.0i has plenty of poke. A cheap re-map could see an extra 5-10bhp, and since having the CDV taken out it feels quicker than ever. If I want extra noise, a K&N could satisfy that urge.... :evil:

Will keep an eye on this thread....


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2dogs I read your thread with interest, would say the daily running it much more as I'm working on 5 mpgs less per gallon so . In real terms its 62 miles per tank less so 15-18 quid per tank more, less 97 ron 10p call it 20 quid.

So a vote for you then, interesting :)

Adam I guess it the "whole" package thats the attraction if you like the elite status :) , so I think if I did all of the above I would not feel the same , and loose even more bucks on mods in the long term
 
I will most likely only use the zed as a weekend toy. Not so bothered about commute etc, and may well be buying a riverside flat in Dundee with secure parking later this year (fingers crossed) which means I can walk to work. Effectively I can bin the 2nd car and use Mrs Adamski's Clio for any ad hoc journeys.....

Still pondering.


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I also went for a 3.0 si to an ///M and for me it's not about 0-60. It's the sound and rip your face off torque especially in the mid-range. If I had kept my 3.0 si I want the carbon leather trim, locking diff and quad exhaust. The cost for all of this was massive and I still would not have had an ///M.
 
hi,

I went from an M3 to a 3.0si..admittedly an earlier M, 2003, however same engine and low miles.

The S54 is undoubtedly a quicker engine, but for me it's not the running costs that is the decision maker it's the disaster costs...

MPG - not going to be hugely diff, used to get 26mpg in the M, seem to do just over 30ish in the Z
Servicing - if you're talking older cars, they're probably be serviced at an indy, think i paid about £500 for an ins 1 with the valves checked, reckon the Z's about half that.
Insurance - not a lot in it really..
Depreciation - given the talk of heavy mods, you'll prob fair better with the Z for your £ outlay.
The reason I swapped over was the potential for big bills, to maintain the value of an M you have to use M parts, and they do cost, brakes, diffs, tyres, ins 2 service, they're all high...

the M3 is a different car to the Z4M, I reckon the Z would be more exciting, but if it's your only car to do big miles it might be a bit of a compromise..

I think if you know your cars, are very dilligent in your search and venture into it with your eyes open and your head making the decision then maybe the M nudges it...but it depends on what else you've got to spend cash on... :)
 
I didnt bother with the Si because I knew I wouldnt be happy with it. 6 months and 6k miles later I have found it to be very frugal and great fun. The 3.0Si is great but its no M. I have seen an average of 26.7mpg highest of 37 and lowest of 21.
 
If you're going to keep your coupe standard then it's a tough call. If you are thinking about getting the ///M bumper, quad exhaust, etc like you said, then more than likely the upgrade would be worth it in the end.
 
The problem with the //M is that you will want to modify that once you get it: CSL/CH wheels, Gruppe M intake and Eisenmann goodies for a start. Then you're almost into E92 M3 money!
 
Get yourself an ///M. You know it's an inevitable choice! Can hear it in your words man :)

Can't speak for the Si but moving from 3 litre SE to 3.2M was first noticeable in the areas of human sound perception. Areas usually reserved for things like thunder, banshees and T-Rex roaring.

The acceleration is like taking off in a plane and the midrange feels as though it will go on until the sun explodes. With traction on it flatters you when the urge strikes to plant your foot on corners or from junctions.

As for fuel economy, well it depends how much you want to spend. Best I've had is 30mpg but she's averaging around 24 with mix of town and spirited motorway driving.
 
inkey$ said:
Can't speak for the Si but moving from 3 litre SE to 3.2M was first noticeable in the areas of human sound perception. Areas usually reserved for things like thunder, banshees and T-Rex roaring.

The acceleration is like taking off in a plane and the midrange feels as though it will go on until the sun explodes. With traction on it flatters you when the urge strikes to plant your foot on corners or from junctions.
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When you put it like that I can see my marriage disintegrating in the very near future :cry: The 'sun exploding' imagery just lit some weird fuses in my brain....

Note to self - *must not read this thread again* :D
 
I'm not rushing to chop the coupe in , it would be once all the building work has been done I think so may end of the year . Also starting a new job so best see how that pans out financially should be better.

Also this give me time to monitor the M prices and see if they have finally reach bottom, and a chance to watch the coupe prices and see if they keep falling. If so I think I will jump ship to protect capital if anything

I suppose its unlikely anyone who has made the jump would say it was a daft idea, I think I will test drive one and see if I notice a difference and report back my findings. I felt the SE to Si was a big jump in the car in performance alone , throw in a LSD , Proper steering and you have a winner me thinks! :D I think it’s firmly on the back burner so will be monitoring them

May still get a cheeky exhaust maybe that will keep the beast at bay! pre Euro tour , be good for the tunnels in the Alps :evil:
 
When I test drove the Si I thought it was awesome then I tested the M and IMHO it's like night and day and there was only one choice! Also insurance difference for me was only £200 do went for it.
 
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