Improve my driving

[AndyBeech]

What is it with you and push pull steering? :rofl:

Im not knocking the carlimits course, Im sure its well worth it to learn car control, but the OP wanted to know how to be safer and more progressive on the roads. The only way to achieve that is someone taking you out on the roads and teaching you how to read the road well into the distance and observations that will keep you out of trouble, not just from general hazards of every day driving, but from other drivers as lets face it that's where most the danger is these days.
I know for a fact im a much better driver after doing my Response course with the job than I was before, even though like most people I thought I was a bit of a driving god before it (I wasn't!).....

 

[AndyBeech]

but there are numerous posts on the forum about issues faced on the road, such as the back end sliding out unintentionally.

Sliding out unintentionally? You mean driver error as they've read a corner wrong/gone too fast or accelerated too quickly for the conditions? oke:

Anyway, as you said, the ideal situation is to do both, funds permitting of course

 

[Simon_P]

What is it with you and push pull steering? :rofl:

A bit tongue in cheek Just that was the main focus for them and advanced courses, when in reality its not a good technique at all.

Im not knocking the carlimits course, Im sure its well worth it to learn car control, but the OP wanted to know how to be safer and more progressive on the roads. The only way to achieve that is someone taking you out on the roads and teaching you how to read the road well into the distance and observations that will keep you out of trouble, not just from general hazards of every day driving, but from other drivers as lets face it that's where most the danger is these days.
I know for a fact im a much better driver after doing my Response course with the job than I was before, even though like most people I thought I was a bit of a driving god before it (I wasn't!).....

I think the main techniques you need on the road are spotting pot holes/craters and idiots on their mobiles! Sorry, I don't agree with on the road tuition as being the only way to learn - many techs taught are out of date especially with current cars electronic trickery. If you want on the road tuition then I would look at Don Palmer he does road as well as airfield.

 

[Simon_P]

but there are numerous posts on the forum about issues faced on the road, such as the back end sliding out unintentionally.

Sliding out unintentionally? You mean driver error as they've read a corner wrong/gone too fast or accelerated too quickly for the conditions? oke:

Anyway, as you said, the ideal situation is to do both, funds permitting of course

Sometime these things happen and not intentional, perhaps a fox runs out - this is where a carlimits course or similar will be far more benficial than an IAM course. As you say do both but I would just do two carlimits days

 

[StevenH72]

but there are numerous posts on the forum about issues faced on the road, such as the back end sliding out unintentionally.

Sliding out unintentionally? You mean driver error as they've read a corner wrong/gone too fast or accelerated too quickly for the conditions? oke:

Exactly, but if OP is new to the car (and maybe new to RWD) he might make mistakes, experienced drivers still make mistakes, these things happen, the difference being that experienced and skilled drivers will be able to resolve their mistakes more often than a lesser skilled driver. Having a parachute (i.e. knowing how to correct the car) is only going to be of benefit.

I guess the more the merrier, why not just do both courses and take lessons from both.

 

[Z4 Coupe]

Marius: I’ve got three days booked over the next few couple of months including the Z4 forum one. :driving:

AndyBeech: I booked the IAM skills off the back of the recommendations on here. I’m not looking for a track day but to improve, increase the speed/safety of my driving full stop.

Mowflow: The 1 to 1 session looks good.

I’ve read roadcraft and the articles on these websites http://www.drivingfast.net/ http://www.ridedrive.co.uk/driving-tips-menu.htm which has improved my driving but I think a morning with a good teacher could improve things further. On a track or the road I’m not fussed.

I bought my Z4 off a Police motorway driver so I should’ve got him to throw a few lessons in but sadly I don’t know any.

As these sessions aren’t exactly cheap I was looking for a recommendation to save me wasting a few hundred quid.

 

[Simon_P]

As these sessions aren’t exactly cheap I was looking for a recommendation to save me wasting a few hundred quid.

http://www.carlimits.com :wink:

You don't need one to one far too much info to take in a four person day is more than enough first time round.

 

[Mowflow]

As said, a 4 person day is enough. No doubt a 1 to 1 is great but what you learn in a 4 person day is so hard to take in that I imagine a 1 on 1 might actually cause your head to explode.

I still think IAM is very worth while. The 2 compliment each other. IAM to read the road and car limits to read the car. The only safe place to learn how hard you can push a car and what happens at the limit is on an airfield (or Tesco car park very early in the morning ).

In most driving conditions the limit of most modern cars is well beyond any legal speed but it's still good to be able to read what your car is telling you and have some reassurance that you stand a chance of correcting should the unimaginable happen.

I'm very very far from a driving god but I have spent probably more than my fair share of time as a passenger with some very good drivers on track and it's simply astounding when you see how much work goes into balancing a car.

 

[Z4 Coupe]

Sounds like a carlimits.com session with an advanced road driving course is the way to go.

I might see if I can get a 2hour evening one 2 one or a four person day at carlimits.com and something like this http://www.ridedrive.co.uk/performance-car-hps01pm.htm.

Thanks for your help guys.