I emailed ESS avbout a Supercharger!!

GP20 said:
No. But then again it's a 997S. :D How many of you here would rather own a 500HP Mustang over a Z4 M coupe?
I specifically bought a Z4M instead of a Cayman. I guess I could've got a secondhand 996, but it does nothing for me, sorry. I appreciate the devastating performance of a 997 turbo, but it just isn't me.
 
zformula said:
550BHP would ruin this car!

Yes, the straight-line speed would be awesome, but it would be a right hooligan on a B-road.

It's far from tame as it is in standard form, another 200+bhp would just make it undriveable.

Why would it be undriveable? The M5 /M6 have over 500bhp and seem to manage fine and porsche are building the GT2 with 530bhp and RWD.
A 550 bhp M coupe will be fine as long as you don't treat the throttle like an on off switch.
 
Top pup said:
zformula said:
550BHP would ruin this car!

Yes, the straight-line speed would be awesome, but it would be a right hooligan on a B-road.

It's far from tame as it is in standard form, another 200+bhp would just make it undriveable.

Why would it be undriveable? The M5 /M6 have over 500bhp and seem to manage fine and porsche are building the GT2 with 530bhp and RWD.
A 550 bhp M coupe will be fine as long as you don't treat the throttle like an on off switch.

An M5/M6 is hardly a 520 with a bigger engine, neither is a GT2 a standard carrera with an extra 200BHP.

My point is: if you were to strap a supercharger to an M Coupe it would require some serious spending on other components to make the car cope with the extra power.

By which time you'll probably find a GT2 is cheaper :D
 
In the coupe it would be OK, I think it would be too much for the roaster, even my 3.0 felt like it was being shaken / pulled to bits by the engine / suspension / runflats and it was only 2 years old.
 
Ahh.. but if you prepared your car for the conversion before hand, then it might not be soo bad ;)

A set of good 3-way coilovers, and carbon ceramic brakes should help reign that 550bhp under control ;)
 
I've done all the preperation for a supercharger such as brakes, suspension etc but I can't get a frickin supercharger for my Alpina. :headbang:
 
how bout some nitrous Curtis....you could set fire to the whole countryside with that :wink:
 
I like the idea of 550 with new brakes etc.

I would like more straight line acceleration. Ontario is not exactly know for it's twisty alpine roads :oops:
 
zee42 said:
how bout some nitrous Curtis....you could set fire to the whole countryside with that :wink:

I've thought about that but I have a bad track record with explosive substances and burning vehicles as you know! :rofl:
 
sixspeed said:
I've also been in talks with a company here about the ESS kits that are due also...

550bhp is the expected output.... :o

Anyone got a BS smilie? :) A tuner has suggested a more than 200bhp increase from supercharging, and everyone seems to be taking it as gospel - I would be very, very, very surprised if they made that much of an increase.

Look at S/C installs on cars like the S2000, Monaro VXR and 350Z, they all get about 100bhp, and to be honest, I think that would be a better level of increase for the Z4M - around 440 bhp would do very nicely :thumbsup:


ps - what is the exact bhp fig for Z4M's? I've seen 343 quoted in various places, and 330 in others :?
 
AlexRWD said:
sixspeed said:
I've also been in talks with a company here about the ESS kits that are due also...

550bhp is the expected output.... :o

Anyone got a BS smilie? :) A tuner has suggested a more than 200bhp increase from supercharging, and everyone seems to be taking it as gospel - I would be very, very, very surprised if they made that much of an increase.

Look at S/C installs on cars like the S2000, Monaro VXR and 350Z, they all get about 100bhp, and to be honest, I think that would be a better level of increase for the Z4M - around 440 bhp would do very nicely :thumbsup:


ps - what is the exact bhp fig for Z4M's? I've seen 343 quoted in various places, and 330 in others :?


Alex,

Prepare to be very, very, very surprised then :P 550hp isn't that unfeasable.

Active Autowerke already produce a 525hp supercharger kit for the E46 M3 which uses the exact same engine as the Z4M.

550hp is entirely possible. Although I agree, I'd like the option of a tamer 420/440bhp as well - but with a charger, that can usually be achieved as simply as using a larger/smaller pulley (depending on how you look at it), and reducing the peak boost output by running the charger at a slower speed.
 
http://www.esstuning.com/default.asp?c=news&id=17&n=

I'm a little concerned that it will change the characteristics of the car though. I mean, a Z4M is about loads of power at mega-high rpm, not gobs of torque at low rpm. If I'd wanted that I'd have bought a TVR Griffith :neutral:
 
sixspeed said:
AlexRWD said:
sixspeed said:
I've also been in talks with a company here about the ESS kits that are due also...

550bhp is the expected output.... :o

Anyone got a BS smilie? :) A tuner has suggested a more than 200bhp increase from supercharging, and everyone seems to be taking it as gospel - I would be very, very, very surprised if they made that much of an increase.

Look at S/C installs on cars like the S2000, Monaro VXR and 350Z, they all get about 100bhp, and to be honest, I think that would be a better level of increase for the Z4M - around 440 bhp would do very nicely :thumbsup:


ps - what is the exact bhp fig for Z4M's? I've seen 343 quoted in various places, and 330 in others :?


Alex,

Prepare to be very, very, very surprised then :P 550hp isn't that unfeasable.

Active Autowerke already produce a 525hp supercharger kit for the E46 M3 which uses the exact same engine as the Z4M.

550hp is entirely possible. Although I agree, I'd like the option of a tamer 420/440bhp as well - but with a charger, that can usually be achieved as simply as using a larger/smaller pulley (depending on how you look at it), and reducing the peak boost output by running the charger at a slower speed.

Very impressive then :) - but I guess changing the pulley size is similar to turning up the boost on a turbo - the more you go for, the shorter your engine life is likely to be.

Have there been any dyno tests of these conversions?
 
sixspeed said:
Alex,

Prepare to be very, very, very surprised then :P 550hp isn't that unfeasable.

Active Autowerke already produce a 525hp supercharger kit for the E46 M3 which uses the exact same engine as the Z4M.

550hp is entirely possible. Although I agree, I'd like the option of a tamer 420/440bhp as well - but with a charger, that can usually be achieved as simply as using a larger/smaller pulley (depending on how you look at it), and reducing the peak boost output by running the charger at a slower speed.

i emailed Active Autowerke last week and here's their reply:


Sir,
We have not developed a sc system for that car as yet, we hope to do one in the future. The Zm4 has the same engine as the E46 M3, but a totally different engine management system. We have cracked into that software, but we have not fully developed the tuning for use on the Z4M with the supercharger. I am not sure when we will be doing that development. I guess if we get enough inquiries we will pursue that development.

Thank you for your interest in our products

Technical dept.
Active Autowerke


i'd be interested in a 430-450bhp kit in a year or so.. hope someone does it
:D
 
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