Hydraulic Lifters Tapping

I recently visited my dealer for a routine oil change and immediately afterwards there was a loud tapping noise in the engine. Prior to this, for the three weeks I'd owned the vehicle, the engine was completely smooth. The sound was exactly like the rattly tappets I'd experienced on one of my first cars - a high mileage Audi 80. My car, however, has only covered 14k.

The technician at the garage listened to it and identified the hydraulic lifters as being the culprits and the solution (after replacement of the lifters was rejected) was to update the engine mgmt software. The engine was smooth when I collected the car but 48 hours later the tapping was back.

Having looked on the net it seems it's quite a common problem on some BMW engines - to the point where BMW has told customers that it's normal. I can't imagine it is though as it sounds like you're in a tractor when you're waiting at the lights :(

It appears that a common cause is the oil not reaching the lifters for a few seconds on start-up, which kinda makes sense. On mine, though, it's usually quiet on start-up and makes the noise after the engine has warmed and then stood for 30-60 mins. Sometimes it taps for a few seconds, sometimes for quite a while. Weird. :? I'm aware that there's a tappet bleeding procedure on the N52 engine, which apparently brings temporary relief, but it seems like a lot of kerfuffle just for a simple oil change.

I'm taking the car to an independent this week for an assessment prior to going back to the dealer for - hopefully - a solution. Before I do this though, I wanted to ask whether anyone else out there has had the same or a similar problem?
 
To be honest I think its pretty normal, The 2.0 N20 engine is not exactly quiet although its a smooth unit, I think you will find the combination of lean burn engines and direct injection all add to make the engines tappety.

Mine tends to vary, sometimes its noisier than other times.

Tim.
 
Looks like the old HVA issue. The bleed procedure is nothing more than revving the engine at constant speed for a set period of time whilst the car is stationary. I can't remember the rpm or time but a google should find it easily.
 
Thx for the pointer with regards to HVA. There are a few links on the web about this - e.g. http://www.enginebuildermag.com/Article/48377/toubleshooting_bmw_hydraulic_bucket_tappet_problems.aspx

...but these do not appear to relate to the engine in my car - a 2011 3.0i.

Regardless - and I'm not sure if you are a technician or not - do you know if these bleed procedures are meant to be a one-off event after an oil change or is it something I may find myself doing every week? If it's the former then I can live with it. If it's the latter then no matter how much I love the car dynamically :D , it's the sort of thing that will make long-term ownership less attractive :( .

Ta.
 
You should never have to do a bleed procedure, the oil should not drain out of the HVA's like it does.
 
Thx.

Due to the intermittent nature of the problem you can guarantee I'll pull up at the dealership and all will be quiet :x . Luckily at least one dealer has heard the noise and it was quite unequivocal.

At least from what you're saying there is definitely a problem - the next question is what BMW will do about it. One post I read (on a different forum) said that the tapping indicates there is a fundamental design fault with the lifters/cylinder head, even if if does not impact the performance/reliability of the engine. I think if every engine in the Z4 tapped I'd probably accept it as a characteristic of the car. However, it appears that very few do.

I'll update the post when I have moved forward in case it helps anyone else with a similar issue.
 
If its intermittent you will find the dealer will not want to acknowledge it

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By spooky coincidence, the dealer has just called and said the data from my engine is in Bracknell (I assume they have a tech office there). Luckily they do acknowledge it as they heard it first hand. The technician I spoke to said that the noise, if it occurs at all, should only be after one or two start attempts as the pressure builds and new oil finds its way around the engine. Other than that it should be quiet. My only slight issue is that I want to try a new dealership as my experience with the previous one was not good.

If these are the gremlins I get from a BMW then I'm glad I didn't follow my childhood dream and buy a TVR... :wink:
 
Could they have put in the wrong oil if it was serviced. Soon after i bought my 23i i changed the oil/filter myself as i don't trust these garages. Was a simple job.
All quiet before and after the oil change. I used Mobil one 0w -40 oil.

When i had MGTF with hydraulic lifters it started rattling a week after i bought it, thinking it was going wrong i had the thought the oil the garage had put in, at the so called "pre sale service" was too thick so got the thinnest oil i could find recommended for that car and that instantly cured the rattle.
 
Can't see bmw using the wrong oil, other than an ///M all recent cars I believe they all use the same.
 
Apparently BMW have recommended I head into the garage for a Vanos test. I'm not sure if this is invasive or not - maybe I'll ask exactly what they're going to do before I take it anywhere. Since my last post on here the engine has been silent (well, not silent...just no tapping/rattling) and so I'm loath to have anyone fiddling with it if it doesn't need it.
 
The 2.5si and 3.0si engine in the E86 has a similar problem which BMW rarely acknowledge but some of the last cars produced ended up receiving a completely redesigned cyclinder head to solve the problem and those of us lucky enough to still be in warranty and manage to get BMW to acknowledge it also had their cyclinder heads replaced with the uprated one.

Im very suprised its happening again on the new model!

Andy
 
Hi Andy,

I had read about the similar problem on a previous engine and BMW's (understandable) reluctance to fess up. I'm hoping that nothing needs doing on mine and it was just 'one of those things'. :roll:
 
Hi had same issue with my 2008 2.5cc BMW are aware of issue changed my lifers and problem still there so the dealer changed cylinder head for new one problem solved all done under BMW warranty.Seems if they check engine number they know what vehicles had problem heads.
 
Thanks Tommy.

Since this posting I've done lots of searching on the net and it seems to be a common problem with this engine. I was under the impression that the cylinder head had already been modified by the time my car was produced and so some owners have expressed surprise that it's still occurring on such a late model Z4.

The tapping, or rather ticking, still occurs although infuriatingly it only happens on occasions. When it does happen, it soon disappears after a drive. I will mention it when the car goes in to have the rear light cluster changed but as I may have mentioned earlier, I'm really reluctant to have anyone, even a main dealer, messing with the engine unless it's absolutely necessary.
 
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