Hmm, warning light came on

Georgio

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 Hockley, Essex
Coming to work and suddenly the warning symbol that looks like a yellow pump? came on.
Everything seems ok, i.e. temperature is rock steady in the middle, no noises, just this bloody light.
The only reference I can see for it is that for Canadian models it tells you that a service is due?
Anyone know what it means for a UK model please?
 
Georgio said:
Coming to work and suddenly the warning symbol that looks like a yellow pump?

Advisory light concerning emissions (see handbook). You need to get the code read before you can determine the cause. Worth getting a OD2 code reader off eBay for about £30 rather than being stung by the stealers. Could be a manifold, O2 sensor or cat issue. Plenty of posts on this forum about this.
Seems to be a very common occurence with the E85 2.0 litre model. :x
 
Thanks for the replies guys, sounds like I need to get one of those readers now I'm a Zed owner :D
 
Georgio said:
.... I need to get one of those readers now I'm a Zed owner :D

I've got this one, the 2011 version. Very easy to use.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/D900-Universal-OBD2-EOBD-CAN-Fault-Code-Reader-Scanner-diagnostic-scan-tool-/110877986674?pt=UK_Diagnostic_Tools_Equipment&hash=item19d0d7cf72#ht_2057wt_1008
 
Had a check over the engine tonight and can't see anything obvious like a split air hose.
The pain in the butt is that it's booked in for an MOT tomorrow afternoon and I guess an emission light showing is an automatic fail.
I'll have to try and get a scanner tomorrow morning, reset it and see if it was just a one off.
A mate at work reckons the no.1 reason for an emission light is duff supermarket fuel of which I am guilty as charged.
However, he obviously doesn't know about zeds... :roll:
 
Phoned the garage where the MOT is due and they didn't seem too bothered as they reckoned it was all covered by their diagnostic equipment; either she passes or doesn't.
Still getting a reader though as I always like to try and catch problems early.

GaryH said:
Is it a fail though? I thought they measured the emissions on whats coming out of the exhaust?
 
Well she failed on two borderline tyres with with minimal tread, but apparently the exhaust emissions were spot on, "very clean" the tester remarked.
He also reckoned that the self-diagnostic lights weren't worth a light (sorry :roll: ) on beemers as apparently they're way too sensitive and quirky.
Sounds like BMW designed their cars to be a stealers dream, as you imagine worried owners running to them everytime an advisory light pops on.
Anyways, two tyres ordered, scanner in the post so hopefully next week I can pinpoint why the system's getting it's knickers in a twist.... :roll:
 
Sorry but not sure I would take the explanation given by an MOT tester as 'gospel' about warning lights - certainly an opinion. Twelve years of ownership of BMWs and certainly have never had to keep running to the dealers with warning lights - but that's just my experience. Tyres...... simple check before you went to the MOT station would have avoided the fail.
 
Yup obviously an opinion but as a busy indie who sees an awful lot of beemers a valid one I think.

We've had an X5 for the past 5 years and it's never missed a beat, never thrown up a warning light and never let us down, so I do know a little about BMW's.
Regarding the tyres, I had a look before the car went in and they were good apart from a patch on each that was lower than 1.6mm that I didn't see, so I guess the previous owner had locked them up or something.
Anyways, two new tyres going on tomorrow, scanners arrived today so things are looking up... :thumbsup:

AlanJ said:
Sorry but not sure I would take the explanation given by an MOT tester as 'gospel' about warning lights - certainly an opinion. Twelve years of ownership of BMWs and certainly have never had to keep running to the dealers with warning lights - but that's just my experience. Tyres...... simple check before you went to the MOT station would have avoided the fail.
 
Im sure i read somewhere that the Z4 being built in Carolina has uber sensitive emissions sensors due to the extra stringent emissions laws out there, so while it may fall foul of the law in the US of A, in the U of K, it would be "very clean" or something along those lines :)
 
Ok got the scanner and what an excellent bit of kit; plug in, switch on, turn on ignition, read error codes, erase error codes, done. Thirty secs max and no yellow light.
The only code thrown up was PO420 which I've yet to find it's meaning, but after the reset it's yet to return so fingers crossed it was a one off.
 
Georgio said:
The only code thrown up was PO420 which I've yet to find it's meaning, but after the reset it's yet to return so fingers crossed it was a one off.

You should have a list of codes with your code reader, however, Code PO420 relates to the Catalyst efficiency (Bank 1) below threshold. Compares value of pre-cat oxygen sensor to value of post-cat oxygen sensor to measure oxygen storage capability/efficiency of catalytic converter. Post-cat sensor must be relatively lean.
 
I got some micro CDs with the scanner, presumably with instructions, codes on them, however I only have Macs at home so I can't read them. I saw the same code on http://www.obd-codes.com/trouble_codes/
When the car had it's MOT the tester said the emissions were very clean, so I don't think it's the cat, sounds like the pre or post oxygen sensor is sooted up or something, so at the weekend I'll have a look.
Good fun this scanner business,much better than the old school elimination method... :roll:

Lillywhite said:
Georgio said:
The only code thrown up was PO420 which I've yet to find it's meaning, but after the reset it's yet to return so fingers crossed it was a one off.

You should have a list of codes with your code reader, however, Code PO420 relates to the Catalyst efficiency (Bank 1) below threshold. Compares value of pre-cat oxygen sensor to value of post-cat oxygen sensor to measure oxygen storage capability/efficiency of catalytic converter. Post-cat sensor must be relatively lean.
 
GaryH said:
Im sure i read somewhere that the Z4 being built in Carolina has uber sensitive emissions sensors due to the extra stringent emissions laws out there, so while it may fall foul of the law in the US of A, in the U of K, it would be "very clean" or something along those lines :)

I laughed at this - just because I've never heard anyone say the US has strict... anything - except maybe Food and Drug laws (FDA).

Basically there are no emission laws in the US; except the state of California. They set up CARB (California Air Resources Board) and anything with an engine has to pass their regulations (only emissions mind you). In fact, some models of cars are made in two versions for the US - one for California and one for the rest of the states.

Once a car is sold as new here it's never checked again for emissions. Actually I don't think they are actually ever checked, we just take the manufacturer's word that they are ok. People routinely remove their catalytic converters for "more power" and since we don't have MOTs (again, except for California - and that's only when you purchase a used car IIRC) you can pretty much do whatever you want. No one checks anything, ever.

I've always thought MOTs were a good idea judging from the crap some people bring onto the public roads, let alone the highway. There are cars that are actually MISSING PIECES like bumpers, taillights, entire exhaust systems, windows, etc.

It's a hell of a place. :|
 
chjade84 said:
GaryH said:
Im sure i read somewhere that the Z4 being built in Carolina has uber sensitive emissions sensors due to the extra stringent emissions laws out there, so while it may fall foul of the law in the US of A, in the U of K, it would be "very clean" or something along those lines :)

I laughed at this - just because I've never heard anyone say the US has strict... anything - except maybe Food and Drug laws (FDA).

Basically there are no emission laws in the US; except the state of California. They set up CARB (California Air Resources Board) and anything with an engine has to pass their regulations (only emissions mind you). In fact, some models of cars are made in two versions for the US - one for California and one for the rest of the states.

Once a car is sold as new here it's never checked again for emissions. Actually I don't think they are actually ever checked, we just take the manufacturer's word that they are ok. People routinely remove their catalytic converters for "more power" and since we don't have MOTs (again, except for California - and that's only when you purchase a used car IIRC) you can pretty much do whatever you want. No one checks anything, ever.

I've always thought MOTs were a good idea judging from the crap some people bring onto the public roads, let alone the highway. There are cars that are actually MISSING PIECES like bumpers, taillights, entire exhaust systems, windows, etc.

It's a hell of a place. :|

Wow. I thought people actually wrecked their cars, or bought wrecks, to get them done up by West Coast Custom for free (can't remember the tv show's name :headbang: ), but it would appear from what you've said that people actually drive around in cars like that :o
 
Nope.

People here just don't care and neither does the government - so long as you pay them their money for registration depending on the car's classification (luxury, sport, truck, general crap). You can buy a used POS from someone and you take it to the motor vehicle bureau where they check to make sure it is indeed the make/model/color you claim it is as well as the VIN matches the title. From there on out every year you get a renewal letter asking you to send in more money for an up to date registration certificate but no checks of any kind are required so long as it doesn't change owners; but even then they will just check those things I listed above.

You could literally drive a vehicle until it falls apart on the very road you are driving on and no one would care.
 
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