GT86: Discuss...

[Jollyjoiner]

A mate of mines just bought one in orange.
I might be seeing it on friday when I go to his house to do him a little job.
I'll report back

 

[Ewazix]

A GT86 thread came up exactly a year ago, I tested one back then and really liked it, it's a balanced package that would make a great daily driver particularly if prices are falling

http://www.z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=59868&p=881886&hilit=+toyota#p881886

 

[Grumpyowl]

I slated this car when it first came out. You can buy a £15k Renault Clio that's quicker.

However, having spent time thinking about its power relative to my zed, I get it now.

My zed does 70mph in second gear, and will go on to do silly speeds at an incredibly quick rate.

The GT86 - you could thrash it all day and barely risk losing your licence. And that - must be fun


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This was the same discussion we had with our bikes.
I had an 1340 Hayabusa with Yoshi and power commander incredible power, but in the real world could you get more enjoyment Thrashing the nuts off a 600?

 

[philip27]

They are growing on me I was excited when I first heard about them but the lack of power and price put me off. However the more I see them the more I like them and they are starting to look like a good used buy. Everyone I know that's driven one says they are great fun.

 

[bluestreak56]

Looks awesome, perfectly quick enough. Only concerns for me are the colour options and lack of extra toys..

 

[Jollyjoiner]

I slated this car when it first came out. You can buy a £15k Renault Clio that's quicker.

However, having spent time thinking about its power relative to my zed, I get it now.

My zed does 70mph in second gear, and will go on to do silly speeds at an incredibly quick rate.

The GT86 - you could thrash it all day and barely risk losing your licence. And that - must be fun


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This was the same discussion we had with our bikes.
I had an 1340 Hayabusa with Yoshi and power commander incredible power, but in the real world could you get more enjoyment Thrashing the nuts off a 600?

I was the same racing my R6, it felt more fun than the blade I had.

Anyway Grumpyowl, you must be very close to me if your from north derbyshire ????

 

[BMWZ4MC]

...I can say they really are a 'drivers car' 200bhp isn't a lot but it's a light-ish car and feels like a 240-250 bhp vehicle due to the way it's balanced and the sound it gives off due to the clever or shall I say 'lack of' sound insulation within the cockpit...

...The argument is though say for example a base model caterham versus a R500 model most would say the base model is sweeter to drive than constantly struggling to get the power down in a R500 so its good with cars that they offer ones that are wild and ones that are pure and I just see the GT86 as the more pure approach.

...or enjoy driving a car at relatively decent speeds with incredible handling. If I wanted 200mph I'd invest something else. Isn't it about: available power+handling=driving enjoyment? 'The limit' is the same with every car so should be equally fun to find right?

I understand these philosophies as they underlie the logic behind replacing my E46 daily driver with an S2000. I had been looking for a Z3MC but they're just too expensive now to use as a cheap run around. I almost bought a Z3MR but then realised all of the above and decided the S2000 makes for a good scalpel next to the sledgehammer that is the ///M. If my current situation were five years down the line, a GT86 / BRZ would have worked perfectly in place of the S2000

 

[Nictrix]

We looked at getting one of these but decided on the Z as we wanted a 2 seater convertible.
Not bothered too much about how much power a car has as I have the bike for that.
Still really like them and in a few years I might swap the mini for one.

 

[DPG]

I like them, there are 2 white ones on my estate (one of them looks like it's been driven down the side of a tyre barrier) but I always have a good look when driving past.

I'm not sure I'd swap my coupe for one though.

 

[Grumpyowl]

I slated this car when it first came out. You can buy a £15k Renault Clio that's quicker.

However, having spent time thinking about its power relative to my zed, I get it now.

My zed does 70mph in second gear, and will go on to do silly speeds at an incredibly quick rate.

The GT86 - you could thrash it all day and barely risk losing your licence. And that - must be fun


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This was the same discussion we had with our bikes.
I had an 1340 Hayabusa with Yoshi and power commander incredible power, but in the real world could you get more enjoyment Thrashing the nuts off a 600?

I was the same racing my R6, it felt more fun than the blade I had.

Anyway Grumpyowl, you must be very close to me if your from north derbyshire ????

Not far away Jolly, Dronfield.

 

[Jollyjoiner]

Not far away Jolly, Dronfield.

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Not far at all then Grumpy, i'm only in Bolsover, I best keep an eye out

 

[inkey$]

I understand these philosophies as they underlie the logic behind replacing my E46 daily driver with an S2000. I had been looking for a Z3MC but they're just too expensive now to use as a cheap run around. I almost bought a Z3MR but then realised all of the above and decided the S2000 makes for a good scalpel next to the sledgehammer that is the ///M. If my current situation were five years down the line, a GT86 / BRZ would have worked perfectly in place of the S2000

S2000 is a very good example of this particular car category.

 

[LeeZ4MR]

I understand these philosophies as they underlie the logic behind replacing my E46 daily driver with an S2000. I had been looking for a Z3MC but they're just too expensive now to use as a cheap run around. I almost bought a Z3MR but then realised all of the above and decided the S2000 makes for a good scalpel next to the sledgehammer that is the ///M. If my current situation were five years down the line, a GT86 / BRZ would have worked perfectly in place of the S2000

S2000 is a very good example of this particular car category.

Plus one.

 

[Zeld4]

I took a GT86 for a very short test drive. Admittedly it was the auto as my friend was looking to update her Audi A3 170 bhp diesel with something more exciting. If you are coming from a small hatch to a sports car you might hope it would be faster and more powerful but it's not. The GT86 feels lovely on the road, looks great, and the interior whilst not being the last word in quality looks great. But the engine is poor as people have said.

Japan has fallen behind with engine technology. Of course there are GT-R's but Subaru and Mitsubishi have both lost ground because they can't build a small (1'6- 2litre)four pot turbo that offers both good performance and decent MPG.The latest Lancer is a case in point. No matter how you drive it you'll never get more than 25 MPG.Japan's economy has been stagnating for 25 years and so has their car engine technology.

Why didn't the GT86 have 250 bhp and 250 torque with 40 mpg turbo'd engine with direct injection and clever valve timing? Because Toyota and Subaru can't do it. If they could they surely would.And that's why you don't see many GT86's.

Well at least all the motoring journalists seem to love it as they drive it round tracks, giggling to themselves as they get the rear the rear end to brake away on those crappy tyres as they go sideways for a whole lap. But the engine is light years behind what it should be. "Oh it's a boxer with a , low centre of gravity" they say which is good for handling. Bollocks.
Only when there's some serious "G's" would you notice that the engine has a slightly lower centre of gravity.

Just stick a decent in line 4 pot with 250 bhp in it and then it would be a great car. Not the insipid piece of crap it is.

 

[bluestreak56]

Without having actually driven one, my response may not be as prevalent and while I agree with the above post with regards to the low mpg figures and the apparent lack of progression in these engines from the far east, I disagree regarding the performance.

As a daily driver, my opinion is that anything over 100bhp/ton is adequate and over 150bhp/ton is great. If you want to get silly or have a "fun" / track day car then fine go above but dont expect anything from your mpg.

As it is, I believe it puts out around the 160 mark which is pretty decent. This is more than any car I have ever driven other than my Zed. Now while some may say "You havnt lived" that may well be to you. But do I have a need to do 0-60 in under 6 seconds on a regular basis? Can I go past 70mph? Do I want no return on my fuel?

I think it all comes down to what you want out of your car. I've said this time and time again, if I could have my coupe with the Vw 1.4TSI engine (160bhp) it would probably do me just fine. But hey everyone is different ..

Edit:

Been looking at the Seat Leon Cupra DSG again (potentially my next car) and this puts out 276bhp in a 2.0L and returning 33-49mpg at just 155g/km of Co2 (£180 tax) these figures show the difference between the germans and the far east in the power - economy battle!