G29 Z4 prototype review

[john-e89]

I predict it being head to head, with nothing in it with the F type, but both just a tiny bit shy of a Boxster in ultimate handling, but not shy enough to stop it being hard to choose one of the three. Certainly will be interesting to see it un-wrapped but going on the test vids driving wise it seems it’s going to be a superb car. If the interior is better than the Jags that could sway some buyers I would think, plus the Porkers are never going to look as nice.

Tough call.....nice dilemma to have if you’re in the position...

 

[Nictrix]

I predict it being head to head, with nothing in it with the F type, but both just a tiny bit shy of a Boxster in ultimate handling, but not shy enough to stop it being hard to choose one of the three. Certainly will be interesting to see it un-wrapped but going on the test vids driving wise it seems it’s going to be a superb car. If the interior is better than the Jags that could sway some buyers I would think, plus the Porkers are never going to look as nice.

Tough call.....nice dilemma to have if you’re in the position...

I thought I had read that the Jag was not very nimble and more like the E89 which would mean the new Z will need to have much better handling than the Jag to be closer to the Boxster.

 

[Tcochrane92]

I like it! Z40i for under £40k, pretty good IMO. The new ///M model might even force the sale of my current Z4m... :innocent:

Definitely will be down to my local dealers for a test drive

There isn't going to be a full fat ///M though, just the M140i at the top of the range. Which is a bit of a shame.

Then I would be very interested in the new Supra in that case

 

[john-e89]

I predict it being head to head, with nothing in it with the F type, but both just a tiny bit shy of a Boxster in ultimate handling, but not shy enough to stop it being hard to choose one of the three. Certainly will be interesting to see it un-wrapped but going on the test vids driving wise it seems it’s going to be a superb car. If the interior is better than the Jags that could sway some buyers I would think, plus the Porkers are never going to look as nice.

Tough call.....nice dilemma to have if you’re in the position...

I thought I had read that the Jag was not very nimble and more like the E89 which would mean the new Z will need to have much better handling than the Jag to be closer to the Boxster.

From what I’ve read and reviews watched the Jag is close to the Boxster, a very very capable proper sports car, I nearly bought one before the porker although admittedly I haven’t tried one yet, had to scratch the porker itch first. I guess it depends on who has written it, only way to really find out is try one.

 

[Nictrix]

I predict it being head to head, with nothing in it with the F type, but both just a tiny bit shy of a Boxster in ultimate handling, but not shy enough to stop it being hard to choose one of the three. Certainly will be interesting to see it un-wrapped but going on the test vids driving wise it seems it’s going to be a superb car. If the interior is better than the Jags that could sway some buyers I would think, plus the Porkers are never going to look as nice.

Tough call.....nice dilemma to have if you’re in the position...

I thought I had read that the Jag was not very nimble and more like the E89 which would mean the new Z will need to have much better handling than the Jag to be closer to the Boxster.

From what I’ve read and reviews watched the Jag is close to the Boxster, a very very capable proper sports car, I nearly bought one before the porker although admittedly I haven’t tried one yet, had to scratch the porker itch first. I guess it depends on who has written it, only way to really find out is try one.

It may actually have been on here somewhere that I read it with someone saying it was a cruiser and not a sports car.

 

[RustyZ4]

Where are people getting the price at under £40k from?

I saw that price on the auto review website, I believe it actually said, expected price £39500,, I think it will be higher but we will see

 

[john-e89]

I thought I had read that the Jag was not very nimble and more like the E89 which would mean the new Z will need to have much better handling than the Jag to be closer to the Boxster.

From what I’ve read and reviews watched the Jag is close to the Boxster, a very very capable proper sports car, I nearly bought one before the porker although admittedly I haven’t tried one yet, had to scratch the porker itch first. I guess it depends on who has written it, only way to really find out is try one.

It may actually have been on here somewhere that I read it with someone saying it was a cruiser and not a sports car.

Ex mod CJeeper has one, if he reads this it’d be good to read his thoughts.

 

[PerryGunn]

Where are people getting the price at under £40k from?

I saw that price on the auto review website, I believe it actually said, expected price £39500,, I think it will be higher but we will see

BMW may want to keep the UK base price sub-£40k to avoid the £350/year additional road tax... although that may mean that the options list is a bit more 'extensive'....

 

[Nictrix]

Where are people getting the price at under £40k from?

I saw that price on the auto review website, I believe it actually said, expected price £39500,, I think it will be higher but we will see

BMW may want to keep the UK base price sub-£40k to avoid the £350/year additional road tax... although that may mean that the options list is a bit more 'extensive'....

Would this then mean in a few years the market is flooded with cars without options a lot of buyers would want and sellers cant get rid of them?
Or will it be the opposite with most things included as standard.

 

[gwatson]

There isn't going to be a full fat ///M though, just the M140i at the top of the range. Which is a bit of a shame.

Are we sure on that?

Seems to be quite a bit of talk of a full fat ///M on the web.

 

[R60BBA]

Did any of you guys watch the video?

The presenter confirms that there will be a ‘40i’ version being released (which is basically the prototype car he is driving) and there will also be an M variant.

This is confirmed from 4:00 - 4:22.

 

[chasBMW]

There isn't going to be a full fat ///M though, just the M140i at the top of the range. Which is a bit of a shame.

Are we sure on that?

Seems to be quite a bit of talk of a full fat ///M on the web.

According to autocar last week there wont be an 'M' version , im guessing that for the actual volume they would shift its not worth the cost of development , I read a very depressing article saying that convertible / 2 seater cars are in terminal decline mainly coz everyone wants to put their bottom pn an SUV seat , heaven knows why

 

[Nictrix]

There isn't going to be a full fat ///M though, just the M140i at the top of the range. Which is a bit of a shame.

Are we sure on that?

Seems to be quite a bit of talk of a full fat ///M on the web.

According to autocar last week there wont be an 'M' version , im guessing that for the actual volume they would shift its not worth the cost of development , I read a very depressing article saying that convertible / 2 seater cars are in terminal decline mainly coz everyone wants to put their bottom pn an SUV seat , heaven knows why

They seem to say M40i quite a lot and maybe that is what is confusing people.
Is this not just the same as saying the M140i or the M135i. They are not really M cars.
2 seater cars are pretty much either a second car or for people with no family from my point of view.
After buying our X6 2 years ago I can see why people like SUVs and they are more practical than a 2 seater.

 

[Bing]

There isn't going to be a full fat ///M though, just the M140i at the top of the range. Which is a bit of a shame.

Are we sure on that?

Seems to be quite a bit of talk of a full fat ///M on the web.

I’ve read no M in a number of places, I guess we’ll have to wait and see. Perhaps they will change their minds for the facelift if the car is popular. Had they always planned an M e85/6 ? I don’t know.

Oh, and spot the mistake - I meant M40i obviously

 

[Flyingfifer]

I'm intrigued by the car so far, if its as claimed and the first iteration is a 3l TwinTurbo with 360-380bhp an ///M would have to be quite fruity! Even the base car will be quite a machine. I also like that they seem to have embraced the light weight angle as well (no doubt a Toyota influence). I wont lie though, if the Coupe version of the car is the Supra......... I might jump ship :?

 

[Angelus666]

It's an interesting one on pricing....how much will the M40i be fully loaded, £50kish....how much can Toyota charge for a Supra...£35k max...?

 

[Nictrix]

It's an interesting one on pricing....how much will the M40i be fully loaded, £50kish....how much can Toyota charge for a Supra...£35k max...?

If the road going model is as close to the pics on the net it looks like a cracking looking car. Maybe BMW have missed a trick.
As for pricing, Toyota can charge whatever they like, looking around online the old model 20 years ago was selling for around £30k
Cant see it starting at £35k, when £30k in todays money is almost £50k
Shame it wont look exactly like this
http://www.thedrive.com/news/11203/new-toyota-supra-could-be-an-automatic-only-hybrid

 

[Flyingfifer]

It's an interesting one on pricing....how much will the M40i be fully loaded, £50kish....how much can Toyota charge for a Supra...£35k max...?

Toyota have said "this wont be a cheap car" when asked about it, you can expect to pay a sizable premium over the GT86 which is going to be considered as the baby sister of the Supra

 

[Nictrix]

Where are people getting the price at under £40k from?

I saw that price on the auto review website, I believe it actually said, expected price £39500,, I think it will be higher but we will see

Sorry to bring this back up, I was reading another members for sale ad of his e89 and it mentioned that the cost new before any discount was almost £50k. This was obviously in 2016.
I really cant see the replacement being any less than this which puts it in a more expensive tax bracket when finally launched.
Bearing in mind this will be 3 years later, I think its going to be higher.
Surely this alone is going to hurt sales, and the first 5 years of its life is taxed an extra £310 a year on top of the normal tax.
Its difficult to work out but if the emissions are similar to the 35is does that mean the first year of tax will be over £1200 followed by 5 years of £450 before dropping to £140 a year?

 

[skelters]

And another review of the same car on the same track....

https://www.bmwblog.com/tag/g29/