ESS Tuning

Hmmm, I was thinking more a £22,500 ish Z4M Coupe or Roadster with nice spec and lower ish mileage, then another £7,400 for the charger kit from ESS, + £100 delivery, + 10% import tax, and then 15% VAT, so £9,500 there.

Then 12-16 hrs fitting, so say 14 hrs at £50 an hour inc.vat is £700, so £10,200.

Suspension, £2000 for good stuff + fitting + alignment.

Brakes, £1500-£200 for good stuff + fitting + alignment.

All of a sudden we are at about £38,000 for a Z4M with ~ 550bhp


Tax and insurance are cheaper for me on an F360 to the tune of £300+ vs an M Z4, probably more for an SC one.

Servicing costs are £1000 more per year, on average (12k assumed mileage), vs a stock M (not sure if you'd service a 550bhp Z4M more often!?)


So straight at that, it's about £500 more a year to run the F360. Clutch, tyres, and other random failures or warranty outlays would be about the same.

The depreciation will be better on the F360 at a £38,000 outlay too. The supercharger will lose 50% in a year easily, the fact it's been on the car will hurt the cars residuals more, the labour costs of fitting goes down the bin, and 50% of the upgrade costs go on the parts.

I can easily see the two being about the same in cost to run.


The Z4M would be quicker of course, but I'd rather have an F360 ;)


http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/1145328.htm

Mmmmmmm, years warranty, just had £2k big service...



Anyway, feel free to think they are expensive to run, makes them cheaper to buy which is all the better for me!

Dave
 
I thikn what we're saying is that - at 12K a year servicing is likely to be more than only 1K extra. Sedonly clutch, tyres and random failures would be many many times that of a Z4. We talk about an annoyance of a rear spring failure, or the windows failing - these are pretty cheap to repair. On a Ferrari, something simliar will have bills that would make you want to choke, and doing 12K a year would bankrupt most people!

However, spending 16K modding a Z4 is a lot - I would prefer to get a second car with that - maybe a Caterham for example.

If you're really interested (and I'm assuming you haven't) try and talk to someone who has run one of these at that sort of mileage - or another option is to look at the costs the supercar clubs have per car - on the better clubs people spend up to 10K a year to join those as that is condsiderably cheaper than owning.
 
There is an article in this months EVO that details the runnning costs of 'supercars' makes for eye-watering reading :o
 
gannet said:
There is an article in this months EVO that details the runnning costs of 'supercars' makes for eye-watering reading :o
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yes - it was frightning - especially the cost of a Veyron service (was the figure ofr tyres a mis-print? - I don't think so thinking about it - the Veyron uses Metric sized wheels for some unknown to me reason!). However, I do now regret buying my house instead of an Enzo as i would made more from that!
 
csmith319 said:
gannet said:
There is an article in this months EVO that details the runnning costs of 'supercars' makes for eye-watering reading :o
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yes - it was frightning - especially the cost of a Veyron service (was the figure ofr tyres a mis-print? - I don't think so thinking about it - the Veyron uses Metric sized wheels for some unknown to me reason!). However, I do now regret buying my house instead of an Enzo as i would made more from that!
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they are very bespoke though so maybe not a misprint (grabs copy from bag) £101,200 over four years of ownership :o Have to be changed every 2500 miles at £6325 each! Add to that the cost of the wheels that have to be replaced every third change (£29900 for four)... but hey you might be able to drive it fast...
 
csmith319 said:
I thikn what we're saying is that - at 12K a year servicing is likely to be more than only 1K extra. Sedonly clutch, tyres and random failures would be many many times that of a Z4. We talk about an annoyance of a rear spring failure, or the windows failing - these are pretty cheap to repair. On a Ferrari, something simliar will have bills that would make you want to choke, and doing 12K a year would bankrupt most people!

However, spending 16K modding a Z4 is a lot - I would prefer to get a second car with that - maybe a Caterham for example.

If you're really interested (and I'm assuming you haven't) try and talk to someone who has run one of these at that sort of mileage - or another option is to look at the costs the supercar clubs have per car - on the better clubs people spend up to 10K a year to join those as that is condsiderably cheaper than owning.
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I've done lots of reading up, both on the Loaded CSL (runs the 550bhp+ ESS setup), and on standard F360's... I don't doubt an F360 would be something you would want to have, but imho, so would a heavily tuned MZ4!

It's all about pence per mile. Supercharging and tuning up an MZ4, if you assume 50% loss in everything you fit, then you are losing £8k in an instant for what it is worth.
An F360 is probably the polar opposite in purely residual terms. Over maybe two years of owning either that may well offset all the extra running costs.


Again, not pretending an F360 is cheap to run, but a modified 350bhp car >> 550bhp, and £15k of mods, isn't cheap either, by any stretch of the imagination...
I am however sceptical of the actual running costs many have for supercars. Yes, when stuff goes wrong, but not every supercar goes wrong anymore. If they did, people literally would buy them. Also, if you were worried about big issues on an F360 to buy a warranty, you'd certainly be worried/buying that warranty for a 550bhp tuned Z4M hehe :D


You may have noticed, I prefer to suffer less depreciation and spend more running cars, than the other way around, so to me, the costs of a £40k F360 are more acceptable than say buying a brand new £40k car that loses 50% of it's value (£20k) in 3yrs!

Dave
 
I'm sure that 100k mile F360's are around, and are still running fine.

From what I've read, half the problems arise when they are not used enough, and there are no real major problems to worry about. As said, the cambelt/clutch are probably the biggest consumeable/service costs to worry about, but I bet both those could last longer on an occasional daily driver rather than a weekend blast only car.

Dave
 
We are currently working on a lower priced version of our 500-550HP Z4M kit that will be powered by a Vortech V3 blower.
 
Always good to hear stuff is in development!

I'd have a ts1 kit I think, it's just the damn taxes etc that add about 25% by the time it hits the uk.

No way to get them cheaper? Or come over there and buy it, sling it in the boot and drive back?

Just not sure which/how all the different taxes can apply etc

if it was £600 or so I'd not mind but it feels almost like 1/3rd more hence my query about better ways to get em!?


Many thanks

Dave
 
Rom3n said:
We are currently working on a lower priced version of our 500-550HP Z4M kit that will be powered by a Vortech V3 blower.
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Exciting, because I think despite the usual downsides, resale etc, I'm going to have to buy one. :oops:
 
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