Dealing with dealers

AlanJ

Lifer
North Yorks
There are many threads on here of owners complaining of service by dealers, work not carried our properly, not to the agreed price, damage caused to the car on return. Here are some simple things that I do to ensure I get good service remembering at all times to be calm throughout the process.

Car broken down - how to deal with dealers:

1. Take yourself and the car to the dealers (or start this on the telephone).
2. Speak to the service reception – ask for the person’s name (make a quick note of the name and time/date)
3. Explain the problem in detail (we are not all technically minded but a decent explanation of the problem will at least give the service team a realistic opportunity to help solve the problem quickly).
4. Ask what they intend to do – if the receptionist can’t tell you ask to speak to a service technician. If this is not possible ask why and then ask to speak with the service manager. Keep this fairly low key – this is not the time to lose your temper.
5. Keep a record of who you speak to and what was said – this is important if it all goes wrong.
6. You should never accept, ‘OK – leave it with us and we will have a look....’ as this is when the nightmare (and cost) can start.
7. Tie them down to what they intend to do, diagnostic, replace or repair etc. and then you either agree to this or walk away. If you agree GET A TIME FOR COMPLETION and get it confirmed in writing and if you are paying an estimate of the cost. Do not give them an open invitation to do any additional work – if this is required get them to call you before they start this.
8. If you car is under warrantee get a clear understanding that all work and cost will be under the warrantee and you will require a courtesy. The usual excuse is, ‘Sorry they’re all out.’ Not good enough! If your BM is not driveable then ask for them to arrange a hire car for you – be insistent (but calm).
9. If all is going OK and you have agreed the work, time for completion, negotiated the loan car etc then hand over your vehicle BUT NOT BEFORE asking the service team to check the vehicle with you before you hand over the keys. In this way in the event of any damage done this can be quickly identified as the garages responsibility. Note the mileage on your car before handover (and set the trip to zero).
10. At the agreed date/time collect you car – check it with a service rep. before you take the keys to ensure all is well and no damage. Check the mileage anything over an additional 10 or so miles ask why?
11. Drive away smiling. :)

If you get good service write to the dealer principle and let him/her know. He will undoubtedly tell his staff that Mr, Mrs, Miss has written in. Next time you go in believe me the service team will remember you, your letter of thanks and ‘Gold Plated’ service is assured.

I base this approach on 40 years of motoring and experience with dealers. It hasn’t worked all of the time and yes I’ve had problems but in the majority of occasions I have walked away a satisfied customer and if there has been a problem it has been rectified fairly quickly.
 
top tips there :thumbsup:

I always try to remember at the back of my mind that at every opportunity the dealer will lie to me!
 
Had great service from my Merc dealer :o :o
Went into garage with an indicator fault (car would indicate by itself, dangerous at roundabouts and coming up to junctions) I went in and was getting runabout trying to get car booked in and replacement vehicle as I did not want Mrs Shambolic to drive car in this state.
The service manager came out and sorted a hire car then and there and booked in car.

After I picked up car I went back in next day with a Nice Sherry Cask Glenmorangie for the service manager 8)

Had a couple of other wee issues around this time and they were all sorted promptly and with minimum hassle.

Car went in for service shortly after this and the receptionist said " Hi Mr ----- cars in for service today and i see you get a discount from ourselves for all parts and labour".
I kind of stittered at first and just agreed, turns out service manager put a note on my account that any works required would be discounted :thumbsup:

Not bad as uncle works in distillery and gets decent malts fairly cheap :)

On that note though after being mucked about last week about the rear lights on my wife's Z they have phoned today and car is ready to be picked up. :thumbsup:
Will examine it when wife gets home as was slightly damaged when in last Tuesday ( chip on door and scratch just behind door on quarter panel) :x
 
All good tips but....

Does it not drive you mad that you have to go to these lengths just to ensure you don’t get screwed by BMW.

These guys charge what... >£75/hr in labour and have a reputation for good vehicles / service.

At that kind of money I don’t see why we don’t have red carpets rolled out for us!!!!

Writing in to the dealer to compliment their service, taking gifts of whisky..... Why should you have to congratulate them / bribe them, just to ensure they do their job well???

I know that your approach probably guarantees good service for you, however it really irritates me that the relationship is backwards....

I can’t bring myself to behave in this way with the dealers... instead, I expect excellent customer service and a high quality intelligent approach to technical problems and I expect this as default.

This is a car that BMW originally received £47 000 for.... and regularly receive high profit on parts and labour charges over the life of the vehicle.... The least they can do is treat you like a paying customer and not a nuisance.
 
Z4//MMY said:
All good tips but....

Does it not drive you mad that you have to go to these lengths just to ensure you don’t get screwed by BMW.

These guys charge what... >£75/hr in labour and have a reputation for good vehicles / service.

At that kind of money I don’t see why we don’t have red carpets rolled out for us!!!!

Writing in to the dealer to compliment their service, taking gifts of whisky..... Why should you have to congratulate them / bribe them, just to ensure they do their job well???

I know that your approach probably guarantees good service for you, however it really irritates me that the relationship is backwards....

I can’t bring myself to behave in this way with the dealers... instead, I expect excellent customer service and a high quality intelligent approach to technical problems and I expect this as default.

This is a car that BMW originally received £47 000 for.... and regularly receive high profit on parts and labour charges over the life of the vehicle.... The least they can do is treat you like a paying customer and not a nuisance.

If only they would behave as you suggest and of course they should. But this is the real world and often they don't. What I do is to try and mitigate against the 'real world' and make my life easier. Saying thanks for good service costs nothing and takes so little time. As I work away from home for most of the year I know my local dealer will assist my wife and family when I am away. My suggestions are merely taking sensible precautions to protect my investment and in your case an investment of £47k. How we behave towards others is often a reflection of how they respond and behave towards us.
 
Dont get me wrong.... I'm not critising you...

I'm critisising the lengths we all have to go to just to get the service we are already paying for....

I'm a pedant... I know if I take the above steps i will get a better service, but I dont see why I should have to, so I dont! :cry:
 
Car just back from dealers (well an hour ago) but its took me that long to clean white Alcantara trim on seats(dirty oily mark next to headrest on seat shoulder) and then quickly hose down car as covered in dried in sandy raindrop type thingies(you know what I mean)
Chip still on drivers door edge and scratch behind door between it and fuel filler.

TBH I will sort this myself by using a decent detailer as I wouldnt trust dealer to do it right, (it was them that caused this damage when car in on Tuesday) But service agent got a fright when he seen my face at the mention of T-cutting out scratch :x
May try another dealer from now on rather than the selling one (although Z4 Beemer not having great luck with that one either)
:roll:

On and car is 8 weeks old :cry:
 
Z4//MMY said:
These guys charge what... >£75/hr in labour and have a reputation for good vehicles / service.


Think you will find it's £105/hr labour :thumbsdown:
 
Im looking to take my car in to have a look at a squeek in suspension.

They are charginf £12.50 for a loan car?

Stephen James - apparantely company policy, sounds ridiculous for warranty work to me

Are all the dealers the same?
 
docttor999 said:
.........are all the dealers the same?

The simple answer is ‘No’ - remember dealers are independent people/companies who choose to hold a particular company 'franchise'. The BMW 'franchise' requires certain conditions to be met in terms of premises, capability,facilities etc and others at the dealers discretion – this includes loan cars, vehicle valet etc. These dealers are also subject to the current economic downturn and like all of us have to reconsider their business approach to make savings where possible – they still have wages, taxes, businesses loans etc to pay. £12.50 for a loan car - more likely this is for the insursance rather than vehicle use and is perhaps imposed on them by insurers who are also under the same econimic squeeze.
 
AlanJ said:
docttor999 said:
.........are all the dealers the same?

The simple answer is ‘No’ - remember dealers are independent people/companies who choose to hold a particular company 'franchise'. The BMW 'franchise' requires certain conditions to be met in terms of premises, capability,facilities etc and others at the dealers discretion – this includes loan cars, vehicle valet etc. These dealers are also subject to the current economic downturn and like all of us have to reconsider their business approach to make savings where possible – they still have wages, taxes, businesses loans etc to pay. £12.50 for a loan car - more likely this is for the insursance rather than vehicle use and is perhaps imposed on them by insurers who are also under the same econimic squeeze.


Never have been charged previously and I prob wont be using them if they do.
 
The £120+/hr charge was supposed to be so expensive due to all the extras the dealer had to provide as a BMW franchise. This included tea & coffee, waiting areas, loan cars, etc. but they seem to have realised themselves that £120/hr is extortionate and are starting to go down the easyryan model and charging for everything that was once included.

They know they can't get away with £120/hr (that's Liverpool rates by the way, I've seen some for £150+vat/hr), so now they're going to start charging you for reading their magazines, taking a piss, parking your car on their forecourt, phoning to make a service booking, having a cup of tea/coffee.

BMW are to blame as much as the dealers themselves, but there's something wrong if the BMW dealers on the continent can get by and only charge, for example, £50/hr and provide all the same services for free.

If you're local to any of the southern ferry ports, then I'd consider getting the car serviced over there and using the saving on making it a short holiday.
 
shambolic said:
Had great service from my Merc dealer :o :o
I've had really good service from mercedes. I often take my zed to a merc garage instead of a bmw garage because they charge about the same but the service is always good. Every time I go to a BMW dealer (I've tried 3 different ones now) I always have to speak to 3 or 4 different people before they will even consider giving me a coutesy car, but mercedes offer one to me as soon as I give them the car to look over. One time, BMW reluctantly gave me an N reg nissan micra as a courtesy car and then tried to rip me off with the labour costs on my car (I wasn't happy). Apart from one experience with Wayside BMW, I have always had bad experiences with bmw dealerships. Even that occasion started off as a problem but they resolved it quickly and proessionally so I'll let them off that one!
 
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