Are we sitting on an appreciating classic with the Z4M,,??...anyone aware of how older air cooled 911's have exploded will know where I'm at,,,do you think that a similar thing will happen with the E85 Z4M, ? granted I'm not talking about it in terms of the amounts involved, the market looks buoyant at the moment for early spring as the thread shows on this forum, do we think it will just apply to low mileage cars,,,??...I'm on the verge of moving on with mine after this summer but I could just sit tight quite happily if this goes well, mine has only 29k miles so unlikely to be more than early 30's after this summer...what do people think....??
Appreciating classic....???
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I think residuals will remain strong for the foreseeable, but if you are thinking of keeping fir a year or two as a quasi investment, I don't think you'll see any significant appreciation. They are still too young to really increase in price. Maybe in 10-15 years we'll see some tangible movement
In all honesty you could probably make as much from a well purchased E85 around £4k/£5k as a M at £14k/£15k :?
As mentioned last week by OG unless you sit the car in a lock up with zero costs the minute you run a M on the road then buying as a "investment" has to be questioned
They are a nice way to stash your cash though as unlikely to fall in value :wink:
As mentioned last week by OG unless you sit the car in a lock up with zero costs the minute you run a M on the road then buying as a "investment" has to be questioned
They are a nice way to stash your cash though as unlikely to fall in value :wink:
I've said it before. Alas I fear there is too much tech in them, to keep them running in 20 years time. No doubt a few true garage queens will be worth a pretty packet, but not the vast majority 0f the 4-6 k a year weekend toys, that are enjoyed by us here and now. 
So enjoy them.
Be nice to be wrong on this, as I think the car deserves to be a classic, time will tell. :wink:
So enjoy them.
Be nice to be wrong on this, as I think the car deserves to be a classic, time will tell. :wink:
I think people have probably realised that the generation of M cars with those glorious NA engines has been and gone, for good. That makes our cars something of a curio. Who knows how long it will last but at least they aren't losing money.
Who knows? I think they will hold their pre-last 2 month values pretty well but think they're too young to appreciate in value due to any 'classic status'. Times are changing though and NA engines are dying off - but many seem to actually prefer the torque monster turbo's?
Taking a look at other BMW classics based on readily available cars (ie,not including the original M1), they all went pretty low before going up in value I think? E30 M3's obviously have a real reason to be classic (derived from the race cars, only existed because of racing) but even the more rare models got quite cheap some 15 or so years into their lives, unless of course the milage was real low. The E28 M5 did too. When time and rust starts taking hold of many that's when the good ones will likely accelerate in value - I'm no expert though
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Seems to be good demand for them at the moment.
Taking a look at other BMW classics based on readily available cars (ie,not including the original M1), they all went pretty low before going up in value I think? E30 M3's obviously have a real reason to be classic (derived from the race cars, only existed because of racing) but even the more rare models got quite cheap some 15 or so years into their lives, unless of course the milage was real low. The E28 M5 did too. When time and rust starts taking hold of many that's when the good ones will likely accelerate in value - I'm no expert though
. Seems to be good demand for them at the moment.
There were only ever 600 of each variant of the M shipped to the UK. That's pretty rare by any standards... Well until the Alpina lot start crowing 
Assuming a reasonable number have been destroyed
, I think there are probably more than enough people with a love for the NA inline 6 out there to keep the market buoyant. But you just have to look at the Z3s to see how long it will take for the Z4Ms to be worth a lot more than they are now. I'm just going to drive mine and look after it - it's a car, and it's a pretty awesome one, so it'd be rude not too really 
Assuming a reasonable number have been destroyed
, I think there are probably more than enough people with a love for the NA inline 6 out there to keep the market buoyant. But you just have to look at the Z3s to see how long it will take for the Z4Ms to be worth a lot more than they are now. I'm just going to drive mine and look after it - it's a car, and it's a pretty awesome one, so it'd be rude not too really StevenH72 said:jamesbond said:
You may wish to stay away from the "M" Specific section with that attitude.
Safe travels
sorry .. I have no attitude, the attitude I have if I have one that is ? has been molded by most rude members on this forum. It seems to me that some forum members like giving their opinions out but don't like it when they get it back
whats the old saying .. people is glass houses don,t through stones and all that
Anyway I have a rule that I will be good mannered and not directly rude to forum members and be very gentleman like as best I can .. however !
I have a opinion on this forum, and I will comment where I see fit !
You will get my opinion .. just like poor old Johnny Essex gets his !
I guess it's tougher in the UK being there are more. Here in Aus there were only apparantly 70 roadsters and 112 coupe's official sold excluding any personal imports that may have snuck in. That means that the Z I bought 3-4 years ago are selling for $55-60k, which is what I bought it for give or take Coupe's are selling for $40-50k being more frequent. The M5 and M6 in contrast sold in their hundreds and were both selling for a minimum of $100k when I was looking around 3-4 years ago. I test drove one the other day for $54k, meaning someone could have potentially lost 45k in that time
an M coupe goes for circa $30k and the z3M roadster circa $40k.
CSL's are generally marketted at 75-90k with 70-100k kms on the clock but I don't generally see them sell until they drop to the 70k mark..
Coupe's are selling for $40-50k being more frequent. The M5 and M6 in contrast sold in their hundreds and were both selling for a minimum of $100k when I was looking around 3-4 years ago. I test drove one the other day for $54k, meaning someone could have potentially lost 45k in that time an M coupe goes for circa $30k and the z3M roadster circa $40k.
CSL's are generally marketted at 75-90k with 70-100k kms on the clock but I don't generally see them sell until they drop to the 70k mark..
Beedub said:
Yes, exactly. There are still very few if any cars up to 50k that I would swap for, on the basis of driver enjoyment and usability.
People are starting to realise what a bargain these cars are, particularly with the classic M Power six up front. Truly last of a generation.
jamesbond said:
I don't think that implying people should quit banging on about their cars is an appropriate attitude or opinion to distribute on an enthusiast car forum. It's contradictory and most of all detrimental to the purpose and point of this place.
jamesbond said:
jamesbond said:
The OP wasn't giving his opinion, he was asking a legit question in an enthusiast forum in the correct M specific section. I'm not entirely sure how and why it justified an opinion of that nature at all, please do feel free to correct me though.
Back on topic. I think if you're penny counting the M as an investment then it likely won't work out over time, it's widely documented that the cost of road tax & insurance & inspections will accumulate to a hefty sum which would partly negate the appreciation. But, I think all the signs are there that it will be a sought after collectors item in the future. Pretty much anything rare will become a collectors item to someone. Christ, my girlfriend found a rare themed 50p coin the other day that currently retails on eBay for ~£80! And who would have thought 15 years ago that your tatty Escort RS Turbo or Fiesta XR2 would sky rocket in value if you looked after it! I'm of the opinion that as long as the cars don't continue to nose dive in value like a Mondeo or an old Volvo, crashing down til they hit sub £1k, and they stay around the same ball park as I bought it for, I'll be happy
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