Advice on a mid-upper range laptop please? - Sorted

I'll give my two pence seeming as just seen this thread and custom build my desktops.

For all sort of reasons Apple is off the agenda, so I've got say £600 - £1100 budget and wondered
a) is an upgrade to an i7 chip worth it for what it's used for, maybe for future proofing or High Def ability?
b) Given we use iPads for lounging around with is touch screen worth having?
c) Is Win 8 worth having without a touch screen, or am I right in thinking there is no real way to avoid it?
High def screen would be nice

A) Depends on exactly how much gaming is involved from a graphically intensive point of view an i5 core would be very suitable and not give you any issues. If issues were to be noticed it would only be during games with the graphics quality turned up (which you cannot expect to do on a standard laptop anyway, they are simply not gaming tools). I run a fairly old i7 currently in my two year old desktop and never seen it get pushed past about 20% utilisation, but I have a dedicated GPU also. An i5 may see a bit more utilisation than that due to it lacking the hyperthreading pushing it up to 8 cores but it won't prove an issue, they are still capable CPU's.

B) Touch screen in my opinion is a bit of a gimmick. Windows 8 is obviously pushing towards it with their metro layouts but I am still personally not a fan. Have set my Windows 8 to behave exactly like Windows 7. It could still be a good idea though especially if looking at more hybrid tablet/notebook style machines however these will most likely lack the performance you would look for.

C) Yes. As noted above I run mine setup to be similar to Windows 7. I skip the metro tiles start page, have a standard taskbar, don't use the metro apps, dont have hotcorners active. It is still notably quicker than Windows 7 performance wise and so its worth looking at from that point of view.

On the topic of Apple, I can say I have been there before and personally prefer windows simply due to being an "OTT Gamer" in your words ;) Apple computers however DO hold their performance levels. Windows PCs are made up of a complete jumble of parts from different manufacturers which over time do notably slow down a bit. Apple use entirely their parts and don't seem to suffer this issue as much, my 08' Macbook Pro still performs fairly well for a device running on a dual core cpu still (even though it now lives in a cupboard as I never use it). :fuelfire:

I've never been a fan of VAIO after past experience. My work laptop is a Lenovo T520, not sure the price of it but its running an i5 and 8gig ram. It has easily handled 20-30fps on the games I tend to play while away from home (may have a hidden personal ssd in it :D) so i5's can certainly perform. Lenovo is also a very sturdy build and has been pointed out by others in the thread. I would consider one myself if I ever needed to buy a laptop again but I'm long-converted to desktops for gaming.

SSDs / Hybrid SSDs have been mentioned in this thread also. Their relevance to you is again down to your expectations from the computer. I don't run them in my desktop at present (due to firmware issues with sandforce drivers) back when I built it. I can still boot the computer up from cold to be usable in about 40~ seconds. My work laptop hidden SSD boots up to usable in about 7 seconds from cold. It all depends on whether you are bothered about speed that much. With light gaming, films, and other standard computer use I wouldn't see the need for one really.

WiFi signal could be the result of a poor router, not just the wireless card. I have never had any issues with stock wireless cards on any machine I have run. I do however have a non-standard router. Virgin provide their crappy combo router/modem and I just have that set to act as a modem and use my router. Features available on other network cards such as bandwidth limitation per application are pretty much gimmicks to a user such as yourself as I would never ever see them being used. Maybe in a corporate setting.

(Disclosure - I work for Intel)
You can be my new friend :D

I agree with the advice to head into somewhere and try out the machines in person, John Lewis isn't a bad place to go for sure, laptops do have different keyboards and some are awful. I would personally recommend something along the lines of a Lenovo/Dell.

Sorry for the wall of text, rarely find threads on here that fit my knowledge and interests specifically :evil:
 
Disca said:
I'll give my two pence seeming as just seen this thread and custom build my desktops.

For all sort of reasons Apple is off the agenda, so I've got say £600 - £1100 budget and wondered
a) is an upgrade to an i7 chip worth it for what it's used for, maybe for future proofing or High Def ability?
b) Given we use iPads for lounging around with is touch screen worth having?
c) Is Win 8 worth having without a touch screen, or am I right in thinking there is no real way to avoid it?
High def screen would be nice

A) Depends on exactly how much gaming is involved from a graphically intensive point of view an i5 core would be very suitable and not give you any issues. If issues were to be noticed it would only be during games with the graphics quality turned up (which you cannot expect to do on a standard laptop anyway, they are simply not gaming tools). I run a fairly old i7 currently in my two year old desktop and never seen it get pushed past about 20% utilisation, but I have a dedicated GPU also. An i5 may see a bit more utilisation than that due to it lacking the hyperthreading pushing it up to 8 cores but it won't prove an issue, they are still capable CPU's.

B) Touch screen in my opinion is a bit of a gimmick. Windows 8 is obviously pushing towards it with their metro layouts but I am still personally not a fan. Have set my Windows 8 to behave exactly like Windows 7. It could still be a good idea though especially if looking at more hybrid tablet/notebook style machines however these will most likely lack the performance you would look for.

C) Yes. As noted above I run mine setup to be similar to Windows 7. I skip the metro tiles start page, have a standard taskbar, don't use the metro apps, dont have hotcorners active. It is still notably quicker than Windows 7 performance wise and so its worth looking at from that point of view.

On the topic of Apple, I can say I have been there before and personally prefer windows simply due to being an "OTT Gamer" in your words ;) Apple computers however DO hold their performance levels. Windows PCs are made up of a complete jumble of parts from different manufacturers which over time do notably slow down a bit. Apple use entirely their parts and don't seem to suffer this issue as much, my 08' Macbook Pro still performs fairly well for a device running on a dual core cpu still (even though it now lives in a cupboard as I never use it). :fuelfire:

I've never been a fan of VAIO after past experience. My work laptop is a Lenovo T520, not sure the price of it but its running an i5 and 8gig ram. It has easily handled 20-30fps on the games I tend to play while away from home (may have a hidden personal ssd in it :D) so i5's can certainly perform. Lenovo is also a very sturdy build and has been pointed out by others in the thread. I would consider one myself if I ever needed to buy a laptop again but I'm long-converted to desktops for gaming.

SSDs / Hybrid SSDs have been mentioned in this thread also. Their relevance to you is again down to your expectations from the computer. I don't run them in my desktop at present (due to firmware issues with sandforce drivers) back when I built it. I can still boot the computer up from cold to be usable in about 40~ seconds. My work laptop hidden SSD boots up to usable in about 7 seconds from cold. It all depends on whether you are bothered about speed that much. With light gaming, films, and other standard computer use I wouldn't see the need for one really.

WiFi signal could be the result of a poor router, not just the wireless card. I have never had any issues with stock wireless cards on any machine I have run. I do however have a non-standard router. Virgin provide their crappy combo router/modem and I just have that set to act as a modem and use my router. Features available on other network cards such as bandwidth limitation per application are pretty much gimmicks to a user such as yourself as I would never ever see them being used. Maybe in a corporate setting.

(Disclosure - I work for Intel)
You can be my new friend :D

I agree with the advice to head into somewhere and try out the machines in person, John Lewis isn't a bad place to go for sure, laptops do have different keyboards and some are awful. I would personally recommend something along the lines of a Lenovo/Dell.

Sorry for the wall of text, rarely find threads on here that fit my knowledge and interests specifically :evil:

No apology needed for the detail, it's all taken on board and really appreciated. The responses I've had have been spot-on for me, keeping spec' sensible for my purposes :thumbsup:
 
Sorted with advice from you guys, thank you :thumbsup:

I ended up going for the DELL i7 Inspiron with 15” Full HD Touch Screen & backlit keyboard. It has a solid aluminium base and is a very nice piece of kit, major spec as below and came at £800 delivered which nobody else could touch.

i7 Inspiron Notebook 7537 Base,
Operating System Windows 8.1 64bit, English
Memory 8GB 2 DIMM (2x4GB) DDR3L 1600Mhz
Keyboard Internal UK/Irish Qwerty Backlit Keyboard
Video Card NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 750M 2GB DDR5
Driver Intel® Wireless-N 7260 driver
Hard Drive 1TB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive
Wireless Intel® Dual Band Wireless-N 7260 2x2 AGN + Bluetooth 4.0
Processor 4th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-4500U Processor (4M Cache, up to 3.0 GHz)
Color Choice LCD Back Cover - Silver (Touch Screen)
WiDi Widi Driver
LCD 39.6cm (15.6") LED Backlit Touch Display with Truelife and FHD resolution (1920 x 1080)
 
Good stuff :)

Looks like a nice spec!

The HDD will be the bottle neck on the system (5400rpm), if that becomes an issue though they are very easy to replace.

All the difficult to replace performance parts are looking good though so all good :)
 
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