23i - Boat feel / response - Comfort Mode or Boat Mode?

Back to the other point for a second or so:

"i DID mention, via youtube, a few exhaust replacements to my wife. She liked the Eisenmann at €1890 but seemed to be in love with the Remus at €890 and was willing to contribute a few hundred to that!

What does the forum think on a 23i?"
 
The Remus looks good value as you can just buy the back box and pipes which I assume couples direct to stock exhaust. Elsewhere on here there is support for the Eisenmann and a quick YouTube search shows / plays the sound you’d get from their system (appreciate it’s going to sound rubbish played through the iPhone speaker) on a 23i (plus others) but guess it’s a full system purchase. I’m interested as the stock system is a bit ‘plain’, but otherwise fine.
 
wanderer said:
B21 said:
You can buy an expensive box that improves the aggressiveness / speed of throttle response…

A real techy can code it to do the same..sadly beyond my pay grade.

Is it a manual?

OK. I've explored multiple options.
On the 23i, there is not much to be had in terms of bhp gain (probably 14-23bhp) depending on who one believes.
But would gain around 20Nm of torque.

If this improves response on the lower end as suggested by others in other threads on this forum, then I'm happy because that's what I'm after.

So I've invested in a powergate master & slave kit.
That way I don't have to be beholden to a particular map or mapping company and I can create & deliver my own maps as well, and I can reverse them.

All ordered, hopefully applied & tested next week.
Only problem is the car is SORN at the moment, so it will have to be some private road testing.

It's automatic. I will look into seeing if I can get a transmission remap done as well. That's next step.
You will be VERY lucky to get even 10bhp on a non turbo car, however you can remap it to improve the torque curve which will increase performance, driveability and feel. BHP has little relevance to accelaration its nearly all about torque.
Had my 23i mapped by celtic, BHP gain was not worth talking about but the drive/pull of the car was completely changed.
You could probably ask a tuner to reconfigure the throttle as well, most cars come with a throttle set so that small pedal inputs give bigger throttle demands - ie 20% pedal push gives 40% throttle demand which creates the illusion of more performance. A linear mapped throttle is (for me) a lot better as it gives the same throttle demand as pedal input.
 
Normal at a roundabout is almost dangerous sometimes, so Sport in the city, Normal for cruising, Sport+ for quick, Sport+ with stick to the left for quick with more box control.

And then there's using the box manually to help braking in Sport & Sport+, of course ...
 
Pickster said:
flybobbie said:
My Zed in boat mode;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMxPhjcJeno&t=223s
:rofl: :rofl: You wish it was :thumbsup:
There is a documentary about rebuilding the boat, interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwHB7BXOLMk
Watch from 18:10, tell me you don't want this one.
 
flybobbie said:
Pickster said:
flybobbie said:
My Zed in boat mode;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMxPhjcJeno&t=223s
:rofl: :rofl: You wish it was :thumbsup:
There is a documentary about rebuilding the boat, interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwHB7BXOLMk
Watch from 18:10, tell me you don't want this one.

That’s not a boat, it’s a piece of art 8)
Rob
 
When i said boat, i thought, it's not a boat :)

Reminds me of a motor torpedo boat the way it moves.

Why as humans we can emulate nature and make beautiful things,

yet be so bad.... :(
 
mcbutler said:
You could probably ask a tuner to reconfigure the throttle as well, most cars come with a throttle set so that small pedal inputs give bigger throttle demands - ie 20% pedal push gives 40% throttle demand which creates the illusion of more performance. A linear mapped throttle is (for me) a lot better as it gives the same throttle demand as pedal input.

"illusion" :lol:
same here on this side of the planet, people install throttle amplifier and satisfy with the "Performance". talked to a few of them and they implied they have never floored the throttle :|
 
Returning to this, as i posted on the Fuel Consumption thread, i recovered & reflashed my original ECU and upgraded the firmware to a later version.
Even without a remap the car feels like a different beast now. No more waiting to move off at roundabouts in normal mode, it just takes off. And sport mode is even better. This is tons better even compared to when i bought the car late last year. It's like a mini rocket.
I don't even feel any need to move to a 30i or 35is etc.

Very happy with it now and it's more than enough for Irish roads.
 
wanderer said:
Returning to this, as i posted on the Fuel Consumption thread, i recovered & reflashed my original ECU and upgraded the firmware to a later version.
Even without a remap the car feels like a different beast now. No more waiting to move off at roundabouts in normal mode, it just takes off. And sport mode is even better. This is tons better even compared to when i bought the car late last year. It's like a mini rocket.
I don't even feel any need to move to a 30i or 35is etc.

Very happy with it now and it's more than enough for Irish roads.
Perhaps it's done a learn reset.
Just done this again on my 23i, using Foxwell reader.
Can reset learnt parameters, like an instant tune.
 
Had my 23i mapped today at Yorkshire Remaps with a Quantum map. As said before not startling results and no rolling road but I can definitely tell the difference. Comfort mode the car feels more responsive. Sport mode everything tightens and the pick up in higher gears 4th , 5th ,6th is much better, all in all not blown away but happy with the result.
although only drove it back from the garage so not extensively tested. Got weekend trip to Wales coming up for the Jubilee so proper test to come. :driving:
 
you mentioned it 'feeling like a boat', are you talking about the cornering? or about the shifting gears? the car learns how it was driven and adapts.
you can reset it to factory new settings via obdII or dealer software.

if it is about cornering, then i found that putting on 19" factory rims planted my car like it was on rails. stay clear of run flat tyres.
 
newbie22 said:
you mentioned it 'feeling like a boat', are you talking about the cornering? or about the shifting gears? the car learns how it was driven and adapts.
you can reset it to factory new settings via obdII or dealer software.

if it is about cornering, then i found that putting on 19" factory rims planted my car like it was on rails. stay clear of run flat tyres.

It was about shifting gears when taking off.
The car has 18" wheels with Goodyear F1 Asymmetric 5's so it sticks like glue.

The software reflash / reset seems to have made a difference.
The previous owner was an older gentleman (sadly passed on) who wouldn't have driven it like a roadster should be.
 
Pickster said:
Had my 23i mapped today at Yorkshire Remaps with a Quantum map. As said before not startling results and no rolling road but I can definitely tell the difference. Comfort mode the car feels more responsive. Sport mode everything tightens and the pick up in higher gears 4th , 5th ,6th is much better, all in all not blown away but happy with the result.
although only drove it back from the garage so not extensively tested. Got weekend trip to Wales coming up for the Jubilee so proper test to come.

I have a PureTuning map here waiting to be slapped on.
Having a problem with my Alientech Powergate unit at the moment. Waiting on support to resolve it and then will test and revert back.
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