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Because I don't use Excel enough at work I've put together a spreadsheet that determines the break even point between HPI car finance and buying a car outright or with a standard repayment loan. I won't go into mathmatics, but based on figures given to me by Performance Car Finance http://www.performancecarfinance.co.uk/ the total cost over three years for a £40k car (Audi S4) with a £5k deposit at 8.5% APR with a balloon of £14k (staggering but there you go) is an eye watering £27,066.

Alternatively you can take a loan for 50% of it and put your own £20k in, which assuming a loan rate of 6.9% (Sainsbury's) gives a total cost of over three years of £22,198. This assumes that your £15k that you have had to find to do this compared to the HPI model (£20k - £5k) is missing out on being invested in a tax free ISA at 4%.

For this particular set of circumstances then you'd need to invest at 7.28% taxfree for HPI to give you a better position after three years.

Obviously if your APR on the HPI is lower than 8.5% then this figure drops, but then if you can't invest your £15k in a tax free savings scheme and you are a higher rate tax payer then it goes back up the other way.

Alas 8.5% was absolutely the best rate I found when looking for a new 335i/S4 and the usual tricks of heading north, to Audi Inverness no less, still didn't help. To be fair if somebody had offered me 3.5% APR then I'd have traded the Z4M there and then.
 
James_G said:
Because I don't use Excel enough at work I've put together a spreadsheet that determines the break even point between HPI car finance and buying a car outright or with a standard repayment loan. I won't go into mathmatics, but based on figures given to me by Performance Car Finance http://www.performancecarfinance.co.uk/ the total cost over three years for a £40k car (Audi S4) with a £5k deposit at 8.5% APR with a balloon of £14k (staggering but there you go) is an eye watering £27,066.

Alternatively you can take a loan for 50% of it and put your own £20k in, which assuming a loan rate of 6.9% (Sainsbury's) gives a total cost of over three years of £22,198. This assumes that your £15k that you have had to find to do this compared to the HPI model (£20k - £5k) is missing out on being invested in a tax free ISA at 4%.

For this particular set of circumstances then you'd need to invest at 7.28% taxfree for HPI to give you a better position after three years.

Obviously if your APR on the HPI is lower than 8.5% then this figure drops, but then if you can't invest your £15k in a tax free savings scheme and you are a higher rate tax payer then it goes back up the other way.

Alas 8.5% was absolutely the best rate I found when looking for a new 335i/S4 and the usual tricks of heading north, to Audi Inverness no less, still didn't help. To be fair if somebody had offered me 3.5% APR then I'd have traded the Z4M there and then.

Borrowing £15k more through a HPI provider, vs providing it youself and losing out on interest on it.

It's always going to work out cheaper to use almost 50% of your own savings to finance a car, otherwise the finance companies would go broke!

It looks like Audi think final value is around £13,000. So best to compound that over the years it's not in an ISA or similar, and then finance the depreciation down to that value... so £27,000 + interest for borrowing + lost interest on the £13,000 ISA over the years.

That seems a fairer comparison.

Dave
 
Bloody hell, I don't count myself as being thick but all these sums are making my head spin?! Sounds like my idea of keeping my paid off car... saving x per month until the (value of my car + saved amount) equals what I can get my preferred replacement car for is not the best way forward, but at least it's an easy sum in my head,LOL! :roll:
 
Hehe, it is complicated, and probably why lots of people have justified cars they can't really afford... the numbers are never really tangible until after the term is up after years of large monthly payments, and you have nothing... oooo.

Then it's time to get in debt on the credit card to fund the deposit on HPI again haha :D


Of course, it works for some people, but plenty of people are a bit slow when it comes to money matters, and I think lots of people DO own stuff they can't really afford to.

I just use cash and personal loans, the only way if you want to buy used cars :D

Dave
 
Mr Whippy said:
Hehe, it is complicated, and probably why lots of people have justified cars they can't really afford... the numbers are never really tangible until after the term is up after years of large monthly payments, and you have nothing... oooo.

Then it's time to get in debt on the credit card to fund the deposit on HPI again haha :D


Of course, it works for some people, but plenty of people are a bit slow when it comes to money matters, and I think lots of people DO own stuff they can't really afford to.

I just use cash and personal loans, the only way if you want to buy used cars :D

Dave

Yeah, same here... I always used the trade in value + loan in the past, but I love the feeling of not owing on my car, so I want to try saving in advance this time, and see how it goes, then just pitching up with a wad of cash to "negotiate", LOL! Gonna be a fair while til I can afford the new shape tho, if I stick with the Z4 (not that there is anything else that seems that good, in my price range at the moment)
 
Loans have worked fine for me because if I have £200pcm being saved up, by half way to the car I want, I'll probably just buy something else instead :D

If I don't buy something that needs the loan, then I just end up spending more on silly things I don't really need ;)

Dave
 
Mr Whippy said:
Loans have worked fine for me because if I have £200pcm being saved up, by half way to the car I want, I'll probably just buy something else instead :D

If I don't buy something that needs the loan, then I just end up spending more on silly things I don't really need ;)

Dave


True..... :oops: so true!
 
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