How long before your car is dearer to run with the current rate of tax?
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Attleborough, Norfolk
Not if the option is something electric or a feckin great SUV that doesn’t fit anywhere.
I’ll happily subscribe to a car with soul.
It'll affect second hand prices, that's already happening so that's what'll ultimately kill them. Along with petrol costs. But i do just over 4000 miles a year these days so the cost of fuel isn't that significant. Road tax divided by mileage is though!
I'd be an ideal candidate for an electric vehicle but until I get to drive one I'll have to reserve judgement.
I am currently thinking of getting a Toyota CH-R 2.0 Hybrid but I'd probably keep the Z as its not worth very much and I've got the space. I do wonder though if I had a more economical comfortable car would I drive it more than the Z ad that why I only do 4000 miles a year?
I'd be an ideal candidate for an electric vehicle but until I get to drive one I'll have to reserve judgement.
I am currently thinking of getting a Toyota CH-R 2.0 Hybrid but I'd probably keep the Z as its not worth very much and I've got the space. I do wonder though if I had a more economical comfortable car would I drive it more than the Z ad that why I only do 4000 miles a year?
North West Surrey
I'm sure I read somewhere that more than 50% of electricity in the UK is generated from renewables.
Back to the tax topic I paid £760 to tax my MC from 1March and another £430 for my 330i from 1 April and it's always a painful time of year, but I knew that when I bought them.
Increasing fuel prices also generate more tax from the VAT, I'm just glad I don't do much mileage any more and gladder still that I don't have a diesel!
Back to the tax topic I paid £760 to tax my MC from 1March and another £430 for my 330i from 1 April and it's always a painful time of year, but I knew that when I bought them.
Increasing fuel prices also generate more tax from the VAT, I'm just glad I don't do much mileage any more and gladder still that I don't have a diesel!
Well I pay £620 a year for a Focus, £620 for an Audi and £430 for a little Z3. As two come under the "luxury car increase".
£1,670 a year just to use our crappy roads. And obviously I can only use the crappy roads in one at a time!
My daughter pays £20 a year for the same usage of the same crappy roads because she happens to have a Polo registered in the right year.
That's what annoys me. Not the costs but the disparity, depending on what the stupid Governments feel like at any given moment.
A V8 Mustang registered in March 2017 costs £760 a year. The same car registered in April 2017 costs £170. It's just madness.
And the lovely government have frozen the "luxury" threshold at £40k for a while now, so almost all new cars qualify. When a Ford Focus comes under the 'luxury tax', it ain't luxury anymore!
And they are starting to tax EVs now there are enough of them.
£1,670 a year just to use our crappy roads. And obviously I can only use the crappy roads in one at a time!
My daughter pays £20 a year for the same usage of the same crappy roads because she happens to have a Polo registered in the right year.
That's what annoys me. Not the costs but the disparity, depending on what the stupid Governments feel like at any given moment.
A V8 Mustang registered in March 2017 costs £760 a year. The same car registered in April 2017 costs £170. It's just madness.
And the lovely government have frozen the "luxury" threshold at £40k for a while now, so almost all new cars qualify. When a Ford Focus comes under the 'luxury tax', it ain't luxury anymore!
And they are starting to tax EVs now there are enough of them.
Yeah problem is that saving money means earlier retirement, or more comfortable retirement. Both of which will make me happy.Go to a quiet room and have a word with yourself!
Life is not a rehearsal
But driving a fun manual car for 1.5 hours every day makes me happy.
Tough choices.
Agree with Pondy on the VED, the differences between various cars is just absolutely bonkers.
I recently paid £195 (12 months) for my limited to 150mph car. On a sunny day like today I charge it from 20% to 80% for nothing due to solar panels. It is beautiful to look at and drives like a dream, but I do miss being heavily involved in conversations like this and so, definitely agree with Pondy. Sorry!
Pondy is spot on with the lunacy of it.
My Z4M cost £760 (£790 now) but an E46 M3 with the same engine and similar CO2 emissions currently costs £445. A post 2017 Mustang V8 with similar emissions currently costs £200 a year, the same as my sister has to pay for her Fiat 500 Twin-air. If she had bought an earlier one Road Tax would have been free.
Anyway how long does it take to charge your 150mph limited car from solar panels? I can refuel either of my 155mph limited cars in 5 minutes or so.
I can't think of any EV that is beautiful to look at though!
How about this? I use a slow charger at home, but on the road I use fast chargers. I can go from London to Edinburgh (arriving with 20% charge) stopping 4 times for 20 minutes each charge.
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That is the main issue with EVs right there, John. Great for pootling around town, or commuting.
But when you have to stop four times for an hour and a half in total on a 400 mile trip and the same coming back, it makes the EV much less convenient than ICE. And public charging is horrendously expensive, so EVs aren't even much cheaper to run when away from home..
If you did the same journey in almost any ICE, you would fill up with fuel once (for less than 5 mins) and get home nearly 3 hours earlier than in an EV. And if it was cold and dark, you would probably have stop at least once more in an EV
Agreed, it is a bit inconvenient, but people travelling 400 miles usually stop for that long to have food and a rest. I can still have those within the breaks. It is actually only 3 stops needed, I don't have to arrive with 52 miles of range left. There are cars now that will do 400 miles on one charge, and it's getting better. I am certainly not against ICE cars but they are getting very expensive to run, after the initial purchase. Some of these Chinese tanks are hideous, the Taycan is the only electric car I would have at the moment.
At 0700h each morning, our (my wife’s) Taycan is charged to 80% and heated or cooled to 22C. It has more than enough range for any journey she’s likely to do, regardless of how hard it’s driven - we’ve never used a public charger or had anxiety about range. It’s blisteringly fast, extremely comfortable and effortless to drive. It’s a better car in almost every respect than any of our other cars and perfect for her use case*
Aside from those listed by others, my biggest complaint about VED is the way it is levied. In a world where road tax can be issued or cancelled instantaneously, why is it necessary to pay by the calendar month rather than by the day or even by the hour? My RS4 VED is £790 pa. I tax it only when I visit the UK and return it to SORN when I leave. If my visit straddles two calendar months, I have to pay for two full months VED even if I’m in the country for only two or three weeks during that period. I accept that my case is unusual, but very few cars are bought or sold as the month changes so most people will have encountered this at some point.
*All that said, I still own three cars with NA engines that rev to >8000 rpm and manual gearboxes, and I would prefer to drive any one of them over the Taycan.
That, Sir, is called 'how to make money' by the UK Government.
Thousands of vehicles in the UK will have to pay VED twice. If you sell a car on the 2nd of the month, you lose that month's VED refund so you are paying until the end of that month. But the tax is cancelled. Then the buyer taxes it on the 2nd and pays on top of the tax the seller has already paid. Fantastic business model.
The UK Government are not stupid when it comes to grabbing money. Shame they then just waste it.
The only way I can find to (legally) not pay twice is to sell a car at 23.59 on the last day of the month. And buy a car one minute later.
Loved my i4 M50. Hate my 2026 A6 Avant E-Tron. And my wife's BYD is proper fun to drive as you always feel like you're going to die in the corners
That being said EVs are great daily drivers, cheap to run, smooth and comfortable. But it's the Z4M that is a keeper for me. The EVs are replaced every two years on rotation. They're workhorses. Not a car for driving through the gorge and enjoying the summer weather.