Goodyear Eagle F1s

[stevengude]

Afternoon!

I've got a puncture on one of my bridgestone run flats - i've had it repaired but i don't trust it really. I've got a long trip to Belgium coming up and i'd like to get it replaced.

Instead of paying for a new run flat, my other rear tyre is running low so i'm thinking of replacing them all with some non-run flats.

Where would the best place be to get a full set of Eagle F1's fitted (18")? Or can someone recommend something equally as good performance wide but a little cheaper?

Thanks

Steve

 

[Z4 Gaz]

Yokohama Advan V105 or Vredestein Ultrac Vorti. Both come out pretty much equally as good and/or better in certain aspects in the tyre tests.

If you can, order them from camskill and get them fitted locally, if you have a friendly garage that won't take the piss on fitting charges.

 

[Status]

I will have two almost new runflats (rear ) coming up for sale very soon

 

[kis]

General rule of thumb is that you shouldn't repair runflats, as you don't know how long you've been running on them in an punctured / damaged condition. Obviously if you do it in a car park and notice there and then, then I'd be happy running it with a repair... but that depends whether you can convince a garage to do it. Generally its a no-no.

 

[stevengude]

There seems very little difference in price between the f1s and vorti's. Which one would people recommend? Do i need to do anything special when switching from RFs to normal?

Camskill seems to be about 30-40 cheaper than blackcircles for a set - which by the time ive paid for fitting is pretty much equal i think.

 

[mjennings23]

Assuming you're looking at the F1 Aysemmetric 3, then stick to them. Despite what you might get told about sub-par tyres being "nearly as good" by some people, the fact is that Goodyear, Continental and Michelin tyres constantly come out top in proper tests for good reason.

The F1A3 is only directly comparable to the Continental PremiumContact6 (replaced the SportContact5) and the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 in 18" sizes, so personally I would look at them three and pick the cheapest.

In fairness, the new Pirelli P-Zero is also very good, but good luck being able to tell if it's the new or old one! Unlike every other manufacturer that adds a number to show which generation it is, Pirelli seems to dislike this practice and keeps the same name for multiple generations!

No need to do anything special, perhaps just get a can of wheel sealant and a pump in the boot, just in case! Breakdown cover is good too for any major tyre damage, but this would be an issue on runflats too.

Fitting and balancing would probably work out around £30-40 for four wheels, so stick to black circles if it's easier would be my advice. Helps that the tyres are delivered to the fitting garage too rather than you carting them in yourself.

 

[Z4 Gaz]

The GY will be more comfortable, better on fuel, better in the wet and quieter.
Whereas the Vorti will have a more precise feel thanks to stiffer side walls, and better dry grip.

Ultimately it depends on what you want from the tyre, or what you prioritise.

I always go on this site which has links to all the tyre tests and decide from there.
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre/
You do need to take some of the tests with a pinch of salt, in one test the tyre will beat its rivals, then loose in another.

 

[Kit]

Eagle F1 or Sport 4?
Was going for the Sport 4's, but saw this thread and its the 67db for the Eagle F1 as to 71db for the Sport 4's that got me thinking.
The question is will I notice the noise level difference? I know the eagles are cheaper and thats appealing

 

[IRD]

I had a set of Goodyears fitted and wheels balanced at a Formula One Autocentre a couple of months ago. Total cost £366. They reckon to beat other quotes so I rang around to get the best prices and then contacted them again and sure enough they gave a furthe £20 reduction. I'm really pleased with the tyres, a massive improvement on runflats.

 

[mr wilks]

Assuming you're looking at the F1 Aysemmetric 3, then stick to them. Despite what you might get told about sub-par tyres being "nearly as good" by some people, the fact is that Goodyear, Continental and Michelin tyres constantly come out top in proper tests for good reason.

The F1A3 is only directly comparable to the Continental PremiumContact6 (replaced the SportContact5) and the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 in 18" sizes, so personally I would look at them three and pick the cheapest.

In fairness, the new Pirelli P-Zero is also very good, but good luck being able to tell if it's the new or old one! Unlike every other manufacturer that adds a number to show which generation it is, Pirelli seems to dislike this practice and keeps the same name for multiple generations!

So from the above you have run all these different tyres + many "nearly as good " to offer this insight :?
Or is it taken from web / magazine reading ?
Personally I would only pay heed in any results from "proper tests" if they were done on the actual car i intended fitting the tyres to otherwise how can you compare a tyres performance tested on for eg a rwd 5 series tourer or fwd Passat saloon with a rwd 2 seater sports :?

 

[mjennings23]

Assuming you're looking at the F1 Aysemmetric 3, then stick to them. Despite what you might get told about sub-par tyres being "nearly as good" by some people, the fact is that Goodyear, Continental and Michelin tyres constantly come out top in proper tests for good reason.

The F1A3 is only directly comparable to the Continental PremiumContact6 (replaced the SportContact5) and the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 in 18" sizes, so personally I would look at them three and pick the cheapest.

In fairness, the new Pirelli P-Zero is also very good, but good luck being able to tell if it's the new or old one! Unlike every other manufacturer that adds a number to show which generation it is, Pirelli seems to dislike this practice and keeps the same name for multiple generations!

So from the above you have run all these different tyres + many "nearly as good " to offer this insight :?
Or is it taken from web / magazine reading ?
Personally I would only pay heed in any results from "proper tests" if they were done on the actual car i intended fitting the tyres to otherwise how can you compare a tyres performance tested on for eg a rwd 5 series tourer or fwd Passat saloon with a rwd 2 seater sports :?

You do make a valid point regarding the test car, it would make a difference and isn't something we can really quantify because I can't see 2017 tyres being tested on a car that launched in 2003.

However, wet/dry braking and aquaplaning characteristics are going to be relevant, and rated in all decent tests i.e. autobild

EDIT: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2017-Auto-Bild-UHP-Tyre-Test.htm

This shows tyres tested in a 245/45/18 on an Audi TT, so not overly far away in terms of weight and size to the Z4, and the Michelin PS4 wins, followed by the F1A3. Admittedly the Vredstein Ultrac Vorti was close behind, but for the same price why choose the one that came off second best?

 

[mr wilks]

Assuming you're looking at the F1 Aysemmetric 3, then stick to them. Despite what you might get told about sub-par tyres being "nearly as good" by some people, the fact is that Goodyear, Continental and Michelin tyres constantly come out top in proper tests for good reason.

The F1A3 is only directly comparable to the Continental PremiumContact6 (replaced the SportContact5) and the Michelin Pilot Sport 4 in 18" sizes, so personally I would look at them three and pick the cheapest.

In fairness, the new Pirelli P-Zero is also very good, but good luck being able to tell if it's the new or old one! Unlike every other manufacturer that adds a number to show which generation it is, Pirelli seems to dislike this practice and keeps the same name for multiple generations!

So from the above you have run all these different tyres + many "nearly as good " to offer this insight :?
Or is it taken from web / magazine reading ?
Personally I would only pay heed in any results from "proper tests" if they were done on the actual car i intended fitting the tyres to otherwise how can you compare a tyres performance tested on for eg a rwd 5 series tourer or fwd Passat saloon with a rwd 2 seater sports :?

You do make a valid point regarding the test car, it would make a difference and isn't something we can really quantify because I can't see 2017 tyres being tested on a car that launched in 2003.

However, wet/dry braking and aquaplaning characteristics are going to be relevant, and rated in all decent tests i.e. autobild

I'l throw another slant on tyres too that many don't consider , & this is based on my own experiences trying out many different wheels + tyre + size combinations ( 17s , 18s ,19s on Z4s ) that happen to have come my way & i ran before selling on :wink:
The same name / spec tyres perform differently on different wheel sizes & on different Zs ( E89 , 2.5Se ,Z4M 3.Si E86 E85 ) though that shouldn't really surprise
& i have also noticed that with almost full tread nearly all high end & mid range perform well , but add some wear + age & things start to change :wink: the big names (imo) Vreds , Hankook , Michelin,s ,Goodyears ,Contis still perform as they should at any age & down to 3mm whereas the mid range (imo) Falken , Avon , Toyo , Kumhos etc as they increase in years & drop under 5mm really start to show why they are much cheaper , just my own thoughts of course , nothing scientific going on here

 

[mjennings23]

So from the above you have run all these different tyres + many "nearly as good " to offer this insight :?
Or is it taken from web / magazine reading ?
Personally I would only pay heed in any results from "proper tests" if they were done on the actual car i intended fitting the tyres to otherwise how can you compare a tyres performance tested on for eg a rwd 5 series tourer or fwd Passat saloon with a rwd 2 seater sports :?

You do make a valid point regarding the test car, it would make a difference and isn't something we can really quantify because I can't see 2017 tyres being tested on a car that launched in 2003.

However, wet/dry braking and aquaplaning characteristics are going to be relevant, and rated in all decent tests i.e. autobild

I'l throw another slant on tyres too that many don't consider , & this is based on my own experiences trying out many different wheels + tyre + size combinations ( 17s , 18s ,19s on Z4s ) that happen to have come my way & i ran before selling on :wink:
The same name / spec tyres perform differently on different wheel sizes & on different Zs ( E89 , 2.5Se ,Z4M 3.Si E86 E85 ) though that shouldn't really surprise
& i have also noticed that with almost full tread nearly all high end & mid range perform well , but add some wear + age & things start to change :wink: the big names (imo) Vreds , Hankook , Michelin,s ,Goodyears ,Contis still perform as they should at any age & down to 3mm whereas the mid range (imo) Falken , Avon , Toyo , Kumhos etc as they increase in years & drop under 5mm really start to show why they are much cheaper , just my own thoughts of course , nothing scientific going on here

To be honest the Pirellis that came fitted on my current wheels are already showing some limits, although they're the old P-Zero they still have 5mm tread depth. Compare this to the Contisportcontact 5 that was on my previous wheels... well lets say I'm very close to getting them swapped over as they're sat in the garage currently!

Was going to refurb the wheels, but, 108s... *shudder*

 

[mr wilks]

You do make a valid point regarding the test car, it would make a difference and isn't something we can really quantify because I can't see 2017 tyres being tested on a car that launched in 2003.

However, wet/dry braking and aquaplaning characteristics are going to be relevant, and rated in all decent tests i.e. autobild

I'l throw another slant on tyres too that many don't consider , & this is based on my own experiences trying out many different wheels + tyre + size combinations ( 17s , 18s ,19s on Z4s ) that happen to have come my way & i ran before selling on :wink:
The same name / spec tyres perform differently on different wheel sizes & on different Zs ( E89 , 2.5Se ,Z4M 3.Si E86 E85 ) though that shouldn't really surprise
& i have also noticed that with almost full tread nearly all high end & mid range perform well , but add some wear + age & things start to change :wink: the big names (imo) Vreds , Hankook , Michelin,s ,Goodyears ,Contis still perform as they should at any age & down to 3mm whereas the mid range (imo) Falken , Avon , Toyo , Kumhos etc as they increase in years & drop under 5mm really start to show why they are much cheaper , just my own thoughts of course , nothing scientific going on here

To be honest the Pirellis that came fitted on my current wheels are already showing some limits, although they're the old P-Zero they still have 5mm tread depth. Compare this to the Contisportcontact 5 that was on my previous wheels... well lets say I'm very close to getting them swapped over as they're sat in the garage currently!

Was going to refurb the wheels, but, 108s... *shudder*

I didn't mention Pirellis above as they are a total lottery for me far too many different versions to nail down & i really don't like any of them in the wet for a rwd or fwd car over 250bhp (although a set i had on a V6 TT were faultless probably assisted by sheer vehicle weight & Quattro )
Of the big names they would be bottom of my list to consider Uniroyal Rs3s would outperform them all , any timeframe , any surface , any weather :wink:

 

[mjennings23]

I'l throw another slant on tyres too that many don't consider , & this is based on my own experiences trying out many different wheels + tyre + size combinations ( 17s , 18s ,19s on Z4s ) that happen to have come my way & i ran before selling on :wink:
The same name / spec tyres perform differently on different wheel sizes & on different Zs ( E89 , 2.5Se ,Z4M 3.Si E86 E85 ) though that shouldn't really surprise
& i have also noticed that with almost full tread nearly all high end & mid range perform well , but add some wear + age & things start to change :wink: the big names (imo) Vreds , Hankook , Michelin,s ,Goodyears ,Contis still perform as they should at any age & down to 3mm whereas the mid range (imo) Falken , Avon , Toyo , Kumhos etc as they increase in years & drop under 5mm really start to show why they are much cheaper , just my own thoughts of course , nothing scientific going on here

To be honest the Pirellis that came fitted on my current wheels are already showing some limits, although they're the old P-Zero they still have 5mm tread depth. Compare this to the Contisportcontact 5 that was on my previous wheels... well lets say I'm very close to getting them swapped over as they're sat in the garage currently!

Was going to refurb the wheels, but, 108s... *shudder*

I didn't mention Pirellis above as they are a total lottery for me far too many different versions to nail down & i really don't like any of them in the wet for a rwd or fwd car over 250bhp (although a set i had on a V6 TT were faultless probably assisted by sheer vehicle weight & Quattro )
Of the big names they would be bottom of my list to consider Uniroyal Rs3s would outperform them all , any timeframe , any surface , any weather :wink:

Not quite over 250bhp but I know that feeling, they've given me a couple of sideways moments!

 

[IRD]

An interesting debate gentlemen I really enjoyed reading these posts.

 

[stevengude]

I had a set of Goodyears fitted and wheels balanced at a Formula One Autocentre a couple of months ago. Total cost £366. They reckon to beat other quotes so I rang around to get the best prices and then contacted them again and sure enough they gave a furthe £20 reduction. I'm really pleased with the tyres, a massive improvement on runflats.

Thats a cracking price - how did you manage to get that? Best i can find so far is £430 on blackcircles and thats only by ordering fronts and rears seperately so csn use the £10 off code twice!

 

[IRD]

Hi

Are there any Formula One Autocentres near you? There are three near where I live and I played them off against each other. In the end the Lincoln and Newark branches wouldn't play ball when they discovered I was playing one branch off against another when they are all part of the same company. I didn't tell them where I was getting the prices from. In the end when you accept a price then you have to give them that information. It was at that point that Lincoln and Newark withdrew their offers. However, the manager at Grantham was willing to honour the lowest price so I went ahead and had the tyres fitted there.

 

[stevengude]

Hi

Are there any Formula One Autocentres near you? There are three near where I live and I played them off against each other. In the end the Lincoln and Newark branches wouldn't play ball when they discovered I was playing one branch off against another when they are all part of the same company. I didn't tell them where I was getting the prices from. In the end when you accept a price then you have to give them that information. It was at that point that Lincoln and Newark withdrew their offers. However, the manager at Grantham was willing to honour the lowest price so I went ahead and had the tyres fitted there.

Got one, but the online prices are same as blackcircles

 

[IRD]

I would give them a ring. What they said to me on the phone was. Give us the best price you have found and we will beat it. Worth a try.
Just checked my invoice to be sure I was giving you correct information. Definitely £366.
Good luck.