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Post by Mikey_Boy » Thu Dec 09, 2021 12:11 pm

Lots of lovely future mods to consider….! :thumbsup:

For now I think a little financial recovery and remedial work to get things straight on mine before hitting the track as soon as possible!

400hp+ would be fantastic, but once you start chasing power, it’s a slippery slope… :poke:

Adverts for the 224M wheels & tyres and Bilstein B10 suspension coming soon in the relevant section on here… :thumbsup:

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Post by Ed Doe » Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:25 pm

Can I just say Mikey, for me this has to be one of the most interesting threads on the forum in a long time. Really enjoying reading about someone modifying their car and properly letting it 'off the leash' on track, and also to read the input from other members as well. The discussion it generates about functional modifications to improve the way they drive are great to read and discuss :)

For the record, I absolutely don't have a downer on owners using these cars in a more normal capacity on the road (they are road cars after all!) just this thread is what floats my boat when it comes to sports car ownership :)


Would you mind sharing the detail you sent to Intrax in order to spec your suspension up btw? My 1k2s are LONG overdue a refurb and I was considering getting mine revalved to breathe a little better on the road as well as working on track. Mine will be fitted to 18s though, so possibly a little different, and my 1k2s don't have the ARC... Apologies if covered already, but what final geo settings are you running too? I've still got quite a conservative setup on mine, but planning to get a much more track-oriented setup back on it when the suspension is rebuilt and put back on.
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Post by Mikey_Boy » Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:40 pm

Ed - that’s really kind of you to say - thank you! The Z4 is a super car to keep ‘as is’ or modify as you see fit I reckon. What I did see when I bought mine was potential - lots and lots of potential. The first thing I did was take it on a road trip to France absolutely bone stock and was really impressed with it, but then the engineer in me took hold and I realised there were a few tweaks here and there that could be done to improve the car.

My aim is to get to a car that can be driven comfortably on the street, pass emissions and be taken on road trips with all creature comforts intact without embarrassing itself on track - I think I’m nearly there now honestly. I understand it’s always a compromise - if I wanted a more track focussed car, I would be doing something very different. I keep coming back to the idea of a ‘Z4M CSL’ if that makes sense.

For the Intrax coil over kit, I detailed the following with them:

Vehicle weight (standard in my case)
Wheel size and type, tyre sizes and profiles
Type of driving - I detailed driving UK roads to and from circuits as well as ability to drive at Spa and Nurburgring (bumpy circuits)
What brakes installed front and rear (for unsprung weight)
Vehicle power (weight transfer)

In terms of Geometry - that’s as below. I haven’t tried it yet and likely I’ll tweak it a bit. Like you, I’ve gone through a couple of geometry iterations to try to get the car to turn-in better without being too nervous on the road. From experience with other BMWs, I know they can tolerate quite a bit of front camber and castor to aid dynamic camber change:

Front Camber: -2.7 Degrees
Front Toe: 0.5mm toe in
Front Right Caster: - 8 Degrees
Front Left Caster: -8.5 degrees
Rear Camber: -1.8 degrees
Rear Toe: 1mm toe in

Likewise, whatever folks choose to do with their cars is absolutely fine by me- Everybody has their own car story to tell and that’s what makes our hobby and forums like this so interesting to be a part of….

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Post by Beedub » Mon Dec 13, 2021 9:56 pm

Guys , thought some of you may be interested in this . Got a Porsche Carrera S in the shop currently , decided to take some measurements.....

Really interesting to see the ARB thickness . Thinner than expected , then again check out the layout of the suspension , really nice setup but a large amount of rubber bushing to deflect and deform under cornering.

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Porsche front 25.5
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Post by RedUn » Tue Dec 14, 2021 5:49 pm

Interesting pics 8)

It's more than likely got PASM which helps control the body somewhat. Worth thinking about the height difference in the CofG too, flat engines are great for that as we know.

Be interesting to see some stats on it in a geeky way!
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Post by Mikey_Boy » Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:42 am

Morning everyone :D

My 224M wheels and tyres are up on the board here for sale: viewtopic.php?t=134122

I’ve also had another set of boxes arrived with these for track use… :thumbsup: :evil:
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Some Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres on order ready for the Spring….! :driving:

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Post by TomK » Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:05 pm

Mikey_Boy wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:42 am Morning everyone :D

My 224M wheels and tyres are up on the board here for sale: viewtopic.php?t=134122

I’ve also had another set of boxes arrived with these for track use… :thumbsup: :evil:

Some Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres on order ready for the Spring….! :driving:
Good choice Mikey! I like them so much I have 2 sets! One wet/silver set on Michelin PS5 and I've gone with MRF-ZTR for the grey/dry set.
Looking forward to getting back out there :evil:
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Post by Ed Doe » Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:27 pm

I secretly prefer arc-8s to ec7s too, I'm just too tight to be able to have two sets of wheels like Tom :lol:

Very smart Mikey :thumbsup:
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Post by TomK » Mon Feb 28, 2022 10:52 pm

Ed Doe wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 9:27 pm I secretly prefer arc-8s to ec7s too, I'm just too tight to be able to have two sets of wheels like Tom :lol:
I like pretty much all of their stuff, but the arc-8 is perhaps the perfect variant of the CSL style, and we all know about CSLs and their love for these cars! The adavntage they have of being available in an 18" is pretty major, I wouldn't really consider running a 19" which a real CSL is.
Might sound flash to have two sets, but 2kish is a lot less than I've had to pay for being caught out on inappropriate rubber :oops:
I'd love to trailer the thing and run cheap non road legal slicks/wets but that is out of the question at the moment sadly.
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Post by AndyBeech » Tue Mar 01, 2022 12:56 am

TomK wrote: Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:05 pm
Mikey_Boy wrote: Thu Feb 24, 2022 11:42 am Morning everyone :D

My 224M wheels and tyres are up on the board here for sale: viewtopic.php?t=134122

I’ve also had another set of boxes arrived with these for track use… :thumbsup: :evil:

Some Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres on order ready for the Spring….! :driving:
Good choice Mikey! I like them so much I have 2 sets! One wet/silver set on PS5 (waiting on the rears) and I've gone with MRF-ZTR for the grey/dry set.
Looking forward to getting back out there :evil:
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How are you finding the MRF's out of interest? Did you have AR1's before that IIRC? Seems pretty close between the two but weighing up between the two for this years track stuff.......Cup 2's are good but I feel the sidewalls are a bit soft, too much wear on the front shoulders for me (on track at least), maybe they prefer -3 deg of camber but not willing to go that far personally.

Like you say trailering and slicks would be ideal, can't believe how cheap a set are compared to semi's, if only it was a viable option :cry:
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Post by TomK » Tue Mar 01, 2022 1:56 pm

AndyBeech wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 12:56 am How are you finding the MRF's out of interest? Did you have AR1's before that IIRC? Seems pretty close between the two but weighing up between the two for this years track stuff.......Cup 2's are good but I feel the sidewalls are a bit soft, too much wear on the front shoulders for me (on track at least), maybe they prefer -3 deg of camber but not willing to go that far personally.

Like you say trailering and slicks would be ideal, can't believe how cheap a set are compared to semi's, if only it was a viable option :cry:
Not sure yet Andy, I'm at donington next friday so will see then weather permitting. I had AR1s last year which I thought were great other than the wear rate, the MRF are from what I have read a little more durable with similar performance. They are a little more expensive however.
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Post by Mikey_Boy » Tue Mar 01, 2022 6:45 pm

Phew - good to see positive experiences for the ARC-8s…. :D

Michelin Sport Cup 2 tyres are fitted - I’ll get some pics up when I get round to putting them on the car. To AndyBeech’s point above - I’m running -2.7 degrees camber on mine so hopefully that’ll be enough for them to work well on track…?

More to come….! :thumbsup:

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Post by AndyBeech » Tue Mar 01, 2022 10:55 pm

Mikey_Boy wrote: Tue Mar 01, 2022 6:45 pm Phew - good to see positive experiences for the ARC-8s…. :D

Michelin Sport Cup 2 tyres are fitted - I’ll get some pics up when I get round to putting them on the car. To AndyBeech’s point above - I’m running -2.7 degrees camber on mine so hopefully that’ll be enough for them to work well on track…?

More to come….! :thumbsup:
That'll help, my advice would be to keep a good eye on pressures on track, Michelin does have a guide for weight of car / pressures to run them. I think around mid 30's when hot IIRC, will be higher than you might think but I found they actually worked quite well around mid 30's. Rear tyres had good fairly even wear, fronts lasted well and tread wise are fine but the outer shoulders seemed to take a pounding and blistered quite quick which is a shame as the meat of the tyres still have fairly good tread. I did run the pressures quite low early on in their life by accident :oops: so that probably didn't help in my case!

That was with minimum understeer as though and short-ish stints so wouldn't say I was overdriving them. Keep an eye and rotate if you can and sure you'll be fine. I presume you have the newer Connects as well which apparently have stiffer sidewalls which is good. Enjoy!
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Post by Mikey_Boy » Wed Mar 02, 2022 10:05 pm

Thanks Andy - that's really helpful... :thumbsup: A lot of conflicting info out there on t'interweb, but managed to find a guide from Michelin as you described and they recommend between 34 - 39 psi hot. When I ran Porsches on track they liked pretty high pressures too.

I have marked a few sidewalls on other track cars being a bit cheeky with low pressures... :?

And yes, they are the newer Connect tyres... :thumbsup:

When it finally stops raining, I'll get the new wheels on and post some pics on here for the purists to give me a hard time!! :poke:

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Post by Mikey_Boy » Sat Mar 05, 2022 4:58 pm

It’s stopped raining, so the wheels have been fitted - here’s a couple of cheeky pics as promised…
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The offsets of these wheels are absolutely spot on - they fill the arches really nicely.

Tyres sizes for those interested are 235/35R19 up front and 265/30R19 at the rear - Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2s for some fair weather driving and track work with the CSLs for going to meets/shows so I don’t get beaten up by the purists! :thumbsup:

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