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Your specialist subject: the life and times of E89 intercoolers
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Your specialist subject: the life and times of E89 intercoolers
Another B21 shaped hole I dug myself into.
I fitted a Wagner Evo 1 FMIC to replace the stock FMIC on my 20i when I remapped it past 300bhp.
It turns out that the 18i/20i/28i FMIC is the same as the 35i/35is FMIC.
Prior to selling the car I re-installed the OE FMIC and transfered the Wagner Evo 1 FMIC to the 35is..all well and with that went onto record 400 bhp on my trusty dyno.
Fast forward on to the uprated TTE500 turbo upgrade plan..whih called for uprated inlet /outlet plumbing from 1.75" to 2"
Sudden dawning that both the relative sizing and the type of connectors was going to be a problem.
The OE connectors to the OE FMIC are push in and circlip..the aftermarket turbos, the outlet pipes and charge pipes are all push over with hose clamps.
I therefore was left with an imponderable when we came to fit said plumbing..how and if I could connect the Evo1 with OE style connectors to the new larger 2" slip over plumbing and uprated VTT turbo outlet pipes and new VSRF charge pipe.
Given that I'm using a local garage's 4 post lift and helper I didn't want to get stuck with an issue that either couldn't be resolved or would take time.
The issue is the dissimilar sizes of the external diameter of the Evo 1 FMIC and the plumbing around it..about 12-15 mm difference and the need also for flexible couplings and high temperature (greater than 150c) and high pressures (more than 2 bar) required.
In the end I just opened up the wallet and bought an Evo 2 which is designed for the job..so all plumbing lines up, they supply the correct hoses and voila..problem solved..
There is a small performance advantage of the Evo 2 as a tube and fin construction vs the Evo 1 which bar and plate.
First world problems..
Pictures show relevant story and stock 35i FMIC for comparison.
I fitted a Wagner Evo 1 FMIC to replace the stock FMIC on my 20i when I remapped it past 300bhp.
It turns out that the 18i/20i/28i FMIC is the same as the 35i/35is FMIC.
Prior to selling the car I re-installed the OE FMIC and transfered the Wagner Evo 1 FMIC to the 35is..all well and with that went onto record 400 bhp on my trusty dyno.
Fast forward on to the uprated TTE500 turbo upgrade plan..whih called for uprated inlet /outlet plumbing from 1.75" to 2"
Sudden dawning that both the relative sizing and the type of connectors was going to be a problem.
The OE connectors to the OE FMIC are push in and circlip..the aftermarket turbos, the outlet pipes and charge pipes are all push over with hose clamps.
I therefore was left with an imponderable when we came to fit said plumbing..how and if I could connect the Evo1 with OE style connectors to the new larger 2" slip over plumbing and uprated VTT turbo outlet pipes and new VSRF charge pipe.
Given that I'm using a local garage's 4 post lift and helper I didn't want to get stuck with an issue that either couldn't be resolved or would take time.
The issue is the dissimilar sizes of the external diameter of the Evo 1 FMIC and the plumbing around it..about 12-15 mm difference and the need also for flexible couplings and high temperature (greater than 150c) and high pressures (more than 2 bar) required.
In the end I just opened up the wallet and bought an Evo 2 which is designed for the job..so all plumbing lines up, they supply the correct hoses and voila..problem solved..
There is a small performance advantage of the Evo 2 as a tube and fin construction vs the Evo 1 which bar and plate.
First world problems..
Pictures show relevant story and stock 35i FMIC for comparison.
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We choose to go to on with this endeavour at this time and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard…
A very modified Atacama Yellow 35is
A very modified Atacama Yellow 35is
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Your specialist subject: the life and times of E89 intercoolers
While i do enjoy your posts, I have some observations id like to share:
1 your wallet is very large and doesn't appear to have a wife guarding that - well done you
2 You have lots of spare time - i am very envious
3 you appear to have either:
A a sadistic streak inflicting all of this work on your self
B some degree of lunacy going on inside
I think 400 and up bhp on such a small car would scare the bejesus out of me...Im thinking the answer to number 3 is Lunacy
Look forward to see ing the outcome...
1 your wallet is very large and doesn't appear to have a wife guarding that - well done you
2 You have lots of spare time - i am very envious
3 you appear to have either:
A a sadistic streak inflicting all of this work on your self
B some degree of lunacy going on inside
I think 400 and up bhp on such a small car would scare the bejesus out of me...Im thinking the answer to number 3 is Lunacy
Look forward to see ing the outcome...
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Observation 4 - should have kept the 4-pot. All that power AND balance.Jey wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:49 pm While i do enjoy your posts, I have some observations id like to share:
1 your wallet is very large and doesn't appear to have a wife guarding that - well done you
2 You have lots of spare time - i am very envious
3 you appear to have either:
A a sadistic streak inflicting all of this work on your self
B some degree of lunacy going on inside
I think 400 and up bhp on such a small car would scare the bejesus out of me...Im thinking the answer to number 3 is Lunacy
Look forward to see ing the outcome...
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So..Jey wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:49 pm While i do enjoy your posts, I have some observations id like to share:
1 your wallet is very large and doesn't appear to have a wife guarding that - well done you
2 You have lots of spare time - i am very envious
3 you appear to have either:
A a sadistic streak inflicting all of this work on your self
B some degree of lunacy going on inside
I think 400 and up bhp on such a small car would scare the bejesus out of me...Im thinking the answer to number 3 is Lunacy
Look forward to see ing the outcome...
Yes
Yes
Ref 3.. I like some level of challenge, technical complexity and variety…that’s what my management psychologist said in a previous life..
I’ve found a progressive weaning on BHP helps..
On bikes I started at 4.5 BHP and finished at 140 BHP ..
On cars I started at 26 BHP ..started on E89s at 184 BHP currently at 400 BHP looking for 550 BHP next (all crankshaft figures)
We choose to go to on with this endeavour at this time and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard…
A very modified Atacama Yellow 35is
A very modified Atacama Yellow 35is
- B21
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Yes as Ukrainians say..but that was then , this is now..enuff_zed wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 5:10 pmObservation 4 - should have kept the 4-pot. All that power AND balance.Jey wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:49 pm While i do enjoy your posts, I have some observations id like to share:
1 your wallet is very large and doesn't appear to have a wife guarding that - well done you
2 You have lots of spare time - i am very envious
3 you appear to have either:
A a sadistic streak inflicting all of this work on your self
B some degree of lunacy going on inside
I think 400 and up bhp on such a small car would scare the bejesus out of me...Im thinking the answer to number 3 is Lunacy
Look forward to see ing the outcome...
We choose to go to on with this endeavour at this time and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard…
A very modified Atacama Yellow 35is
A very modified Atacama Yellow 35is
- Christopher72
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Needing to get rid of that EVO 1? asking for a friend
Christopher
2011 E89 Sdrive35i - Deep Sea Blue, Beige Kansas Leather
'fits in progress - PDC, Cameras, Comfort Access, Respray/Correction - all queued for poor weather.
(9) E46 convertibles; (1) E39 540i; (2) E36 Z3 roadsters; (1) Pre-prod E36 Z3- all gone
2011 E89 Sdrive35i - Deep Sea Blue, Beige Kansas Leather
'fits in progress - PDC, Cameras, Comfort Access, Respray/Correction - all queued for poor weather.
(9) E46 convertibles; (1) E39 540i; (2) E36 Z3 roadsters; (1) Pre-prod E36 Z3- all gone
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If only Peter had picked a more suitable car to throw his pension away on......Jey wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:49 pm While i do enjoy your posts, I have some observations id like to share:
1 your wallet is very large and doesn't appear to have a wife guarding that - well done you
2 You have lots of spare time - i am very envious
3 you appear to have either:
A a sadistic streak inflicting all of this work on your self
B some degree of lunacy going on inside
I think 400 and up bhp on such a small car would scare the bejesus out of me...Im thinking the answer to number 3 is Lunacy
Look forward to see ing the outcome...
PS No offence Peter, you carry on as it obviously makes you happy. It is good reading, granted!
PPS Hope the minces are mending well!
All good things come to those who wait. I'm really impatient which explains a lot.
F31 320i. Good car.
E89 20i Now fully dried
Z3 'free litre'. Project and a half. Complicated!
Mazda3 sold
Tatty old R56 Mini Cooper. Money pit!
F31 320i. Good car.
E89 20i Now fully dried
Z3 'free litre'. Project and a half. Complicated!
Mazda3 sold
Tatty old R56 Mini Cooper. Money pit!
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‘Specialist’
Does that qualify as humble brag ?
Does that qualify as humble brag ?
2016 35is, monoballs, camber plates, KWV3, PS4S, xHP, MHD, LFB pedal, flat bottom wheel, red indicators, black headlamps
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Hello..yes your friend can have it…p+p to US may be prohibitive?Christopher72 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 8:58 pm Needing to get rid of that EVO 1? asking for a friend
We choose to go to on with this endeavour at this time and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard…
A very modified Atacama Yellow 35is
A very modified Atacama Yellow 35is
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It's a reference to a show over here called Mastermind, you have a specialist subject or your choice and then general knowledge questions both over a set time for 4 contestants per show.....I don't advise yanks to bother applying...unless your specialist subject is 'Embarrasment'....
M roady...OEM CSL’s, strut brace, Remus back boxes, ZHP
MR2 MK 2
E89 35i project car...mapped 365bhp, M4 stoppers & wheels, KWV3’s, H&R front ARB, M3 front arms, strut brace Eisenmann cat back race exhaust, VRSF downpipes inbound
E89 35is
G29
MR2 MK 2
E89 35i project car...mapped 365bhp, M4 stoppers & wheels, KWV3’s, H&R front ARB, M3 front arms, strut brace Eisenmann cat back race exhaust, VRSF downpipes inbound
E89 35is
G29
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They could do history of the United States. Shouldn't take long to learn that.
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Nope wouldn't work Enuff.....15mins isn't a show by anyone's standard....
M roady...OEM CSL’s, strut brace, Remus back boxes, ZHP
MR2 MK 2
E89 35i project car...mapped 365bhp, M4 stoppers & wheels, KWV3’s, H&R front ARB, M3 front arms, strut brace Eisenmann cat back race exhaust, VRSF downpipes inbound
E89 35is
G29
MR2 MK 2
E89 35i project car...mapped 365bhp, M4 stoppers & wheels, KWV3’s, H&R front ARB, M3 front arms, strut brace Eisenmann cat back race exhaust, VRSF downpipes inbound
E89 35is
G29
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Got a feeling Mr Marcoose is an ex-pat. Brit living in La-la Land!john-e89 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:27 am It's a reference to a show over here called Mastermind, you have a specialist subject or your choice and then general knowledge questions both over a set time for 4 contestants per show.....I don't advise yanks to bother applying...unless your specialist subject is 'Embarrasment'....
All good things come to those who wait. I'm really impatient which explains a lot.
F31 320i. Good car.
E89 20i Now fully dried
Z3 'free litre'. Project and a half. Complicated!
Mazda3 sold
Tatty old R56 Mini Cooper. Money pit!
F31 320i. Good car.
E89 20i Now fully dried
Z3 'free litre'. Project and a half. Complicated!
Mazda3 sold
Tatty old R56 Mini Cooper. Money pit!
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That'll explain why he's got a sense of humour then....well, you need one over there.....Pondrew wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 12:47 pmGot a feeling Mr Marcoose is an ex-pat. Brit living in La-la Land!john-e89 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 10:27 am It's a reference to a show over here called Mastermind, you have a specialist subject or your choice and then general knowledge questions both over a set time for 4 contestants per show.....I don't advise yanks to bother applying...unless your specialist subject is 'Embarrasment'....
M roady...OEM CSL’s, strut brace, Remus back boxes, ZHP
MR2 MK 2
E89 35i project car...mapped 365bhp, M4 stoppers & wheels, KWV3’s, H&R front ARB, M3 front arms, strut brace Eisenmann cat back race exhaust, VRSF downpipes inbound
E89 35is
G29
MR2 MK 2
E89 35i project car...mapped 365bhp, M4 stoppers & wheels, KWV3’s, H&R front ARB, M3 front arms, strut brace Eisenmann cat back race exhaust, VRSF downpipes inbound
E89 35is
G29
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2016 35is, monoballs, camber plates, KWV3, PS4S, xHP, MHD, LFB pedal, flat bottom wheel, red indicators, black headlamps