Lineker. Winner or Woketard w@nker?

[Nanu]

Its easy to say (like most things online), but I'd be interested to hear what evidence has drawn you to that conclusion.

Ok here is one example.
When was the last time you heard any expert or scientist giving opposing views on climate change being man made?

Which ever side of the argument you are on is irrelevant, you are only getting one side of the argument from the BBC who have decided the science is settled.

I’ve seen counter arguments on the BBC and elsewhere against man made climate change - right up until quite recently. But I think it’s also fair to say that the science is possibly settled in that particular example, right?

Not settled in the least and people such as Nigel Lawson are banned from the BBC for his views. Cannot recall one interview with anyone significant disputing the subject.

[inkey$]

I’d definitely be interested in hearing what the cause of it is.

[Pondrew]

I’d definitely be interested in hearing what the cause of it is.

Donald Trump has the answer, apparently.
Doesn't seem to matter what the cause is; no-one is really serious about doing anything about it....too expensive and disruptive from us all making our millions!

[inkey$]

I’d definitely be interested in hearing what the cause of it is.

Donald Trump has the answer, apparently.
Doesn't seem to matter what the cause is; no-one is really serious about doing anything about it....too expensive and disruptive from us all making our millions!

Sad but largely true, I fear.
I’m off to take some classic Trump advice and drink some bleach (I currently really do have Covid )

[sars]

I think this sums it up for me

[Vornwend]

I think this sums it up for me

Nailed it!

[inkey$]

Pie: Brilliant, Sars

[rog1]

Spot on!

[Nanu]

Hate to disagree but I do.

He speaks of the Tories demonising refugees. They don’t. They criticise economic migrants who are not genuine refugees fleeing war and persecution. I can’t recall France or Albania being riven with war from which they are fleeing.

In fact they blame these economic migrants of damaging the genuine refugees claims by flooding the system with their claims for asylum.

If we are going to discuss this complex issue, please can we separate genuine refugees which this country has always made welcome and those that wish to take advantage of our generosity by abusing the system, unlike Lineker.

[sars]

Pie: Brilliant, Sars

He is very observant, articulates the crux of the issue in a way that I cannot. I have voted Tory many times, but this lot of lying, scheming, patronising and scaremongering sh1tbags are just taking the pi55 out of all us and yet there are people out there who still believe them

[sars]

Nanu, According to the Government’s own sources asylum seekers, of which there were 89,000 of them in 2022 (ranked 16th in Europe) and accounted for about 18% of total migrants to the UK, which includes those from Ukraine, all other migrants were visiting students or on work visas. But according to Braverman there’s 100’s of millions of them coming, which is just pure scaremongering and pandering to the right wing nationalists, as that’s all this party has left.

[Pondrew]

I have voted Tory many times, but this lot of lying, scheming, patronising and scaremongering sh1tbags are just taking the pi55 out of all us and yet there are people out there who still believe them

They have ALL been that for 30 years or more. Nothing has changed. Only possibly the increased amount of media outlets all trying to sell inches and make a few quid, so making 'news' where there wasn't any.
Starmer and his (many ultra-left wing) cronies will be voted in next under a protest vote....."can't be worse than the last lot". Not something I am looking forward to TBH!

[buzyg]

I think this sums it up for me

[Vornwend]

In fact they blame these economic migrants of damaging the genuine refugees claims by flooding the system with their claims for asylum.

That argument is deeply disingenuous because the government is effectively saying there are to be no legal routes for refugees (save for allowing temporary safe haven for Ukrainians) . Hence anyone arriving is denied even applying for asylum however genuine or compelling their case. Yes some of these arrivals might be economic migrants but many are not. These people are not "queue jumpers" because there is no legal queue to join. We are an island in the North Sea so its pretty much impossible for an asylum seeker to arrive here unless passing through another country - does that mean we should abdicate all of our international responsibilities and accept none?

Braverman has spoken about an invasion and the possibility of hundreds of millions arriving. It's deliberately provocative language designed to stoke fear and hatred and pander to right wing elements (rather similar to the period in history that Lineker was referring to you might say). Thankfully it's backfiring spectacularly. The policy itself won't actually achieve anything as its likely to be deemed illegal - the government knows that.

[rdgreen]

How long can the UK sustain unregulated migration? In 2018 there were 300 boat arrivals, in 2019 - 1,800, in 2020 - 8,500, in 2021 - 23,000, and in 2022 - 33,000. At that rate you can expect 100,000 a year very shortly.....What's the answer then, because you can't keep going at that rate?