Wooly steering feel

Sajk · Post by **Sajk** » Thu Sep 01, 2022 4:59 pm

OK thanks

abar121 · Post by **abar121** » Sat Sep 03, 2022 10:08 am

That certainly helps.

Must admit, I never liked the PAS in the E36 M3. Pretty remote feeling, as per all E36s, back in the day. But now compared to EPAS systems, it'll probably feel quite detailed.

Similarly, the steering on the Z4M always felt pretty average for a hydraulic rack when they were launched. Now with EPAS on everything, it's a different matter. It does feel absolutely sublime compared to the 981S / 991 when I had both.

Sajk · Post by **Sajk** » Sat Sep 03, 2022 1:58 pm

Funnily enough the z3 is an e36 front suspension with a faster rack and with the control bushes (solid rubber vs gaps) from the z3m roadster it is super alive. So much so that I can feel the road surface texture through the wheel. Maybe it's the thick steering wheel contributing to the detached feeling. The thing was aligned as close to csl specs as we could get it.

Vanne · Post by **Vanne** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 8:12 am

Lol I have both as well, I'd describe the z3 3.0l pos like a wet blanket on the road compared to the z4m. The z4m has one of the best steering feedbacks of any car I've driven, it's one of its top selling/owning points, if yours doesn't feel like that you've got issues with your car.

beanie · Post by **beanie** » Mon Sep 05, 2022 10:54 am

Vanne wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 8:12 am Lol I have both as well, I'd describe the z3 3.0l pos like a wet blanket on the road compared to the z4m.

I feel the same!

The textural feel is not something I think you’ll get without compromising on nvh somewhat. There is a bit of isolation in the Z4m compared to older cars from the 80’s/90’s but it shouldn’t translate to a wooly feeling. Hefty but taught is how I’d describe it.

Sajk · Post by **Sajk** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 5:29 pm

Well my 3 has a z3 3.0 coupe rear sway bar, all new bushes, m roadster front control arms, poly rear beam bushes and new bilsteins. It feels good. Better than new and I have owned it since 1998. The m is also nice just more isolated with less feel so I kind of buy the NVH argument. I was kind of hoping that there would be similar mods to make to the M that I made to the z3.

I am going to change to new shocks. Any suggestions? I certainly don't want a harder ride.

Mr Tidy · Post by **Mr Tidy** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:40 pm

There are loads of threads about after-market springs and shocks if you search in the "M" specific section on here, like this one:- viewtopic.php?t=130441&hilit=suspension

All I can add is that if you don't want a firmer ride don't buy H & R coil-overs as they are definitely firmer than OE!

tomscott · Post by **tomscott** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:52 pm

Going from an MC to an MR the faster rack in the MC is hugely noticeable the MR has been a bit disappointing for me but it could be the suspension is 16 years old vs 5 when I got my MC and had H&R springs on it which was a love hate too.

Simon 3.2M · Post by **Simon 3.2M** » Tue Sep 06, 2022 9:59 pm

tomscott wrote: ↑Tue Sep 06, 2022 6:52 pm Going from an MC to an MR the faster rack in the MC is hugely noticeable the MR has been a bit disappointing for me but it could be the suspension is 16 years old vs 5 when I got my MC and had H&R springs on it which was a love hate too.

I hear you there Tom. Steering rack not withstanding, my MC and MR are like chalk and cheese,

Jellyfishfields · Post by **Jellyfishfields** » Wed Sep 07, 2022 12:16 am

Not a fashionable thing to say, as most online only sing their praises but when we switched my son's Suzuki Swift Sport from Continental to the PS4 there was a noticeable drop in steering feel.
Same thing on our M140i.

Probably more ultimate grip and traction, but they were exactly as you describe, wooly and a bit aloof. Every review I've read says otherwise, but that's how I found them to be.

You could try to max out the camber as suggested and see how that goes. That's how I have mine, it does tramline a little but it manageable.

plenty · Post by **plenty** » Wed Sep 07, 2022 7:40 am

Jellyfishfields wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 12:16 am Not a fashionable thing to say, as most online only sing their praises but when we switched my son's Suzuki Swift Sport from Continental to the PS4 there was a noticeable drop in steering feel.
Same thing on our M140i.

Likely due to relatively soft sidewalls on the PS4.

Argenta · Post by **Argenta** » Wed Sep 07, 2022 9:04 am

Got new PS4 aswell, was a real letdown. Good ultimate grip but I actually thought I accidently got a chinese pirate-copy version, so woolly and soft are they. Just been a week at Nurburgring and while I was really impressed by the Supersports there, PS4 was the wrong choice.
Edit: Meant Pilot Sport 4S. Soft sidewalls there.

MrPT · Post by **MrPT** » Wed Sep 07, 2022 6:10 pm

Are you fellas talking about the PS4 or the 4S?

lucasxdiniz · Post by **lucasxdiniz** » Wed Sep 07, 2022 9:30 pm

I can't speak for the Z4M feel at all. But I have driven my friend's Z4C with the same suspension and geo specs as my car and his steering feels super numb to me, which I think is all down to the tyres. He runs PS4s (not PS4Ss), and I Goodyear Asymmetric 5s. Worth trying a different tyre set if you can?

Argenta · Post by **Argenta** » Wed Sep 07, 2022 10:32 pm

I’ve driven a Z4 Coupe 3.0 aswell, hated the steering. Clearly electric assisted and with no feel at all compared to my M Coupe

MrPT wrote: ↑Wed Sep 07, 2022 6:10 pm Are you fellas talking about the PS4 or the 4S?

Oh sorry, the 4S.

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