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Specific discussion about the E89 2009 Z4 (sDrive35is, sDrive35i, sDrive30i, sDrive23i)
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Post by N4LLY » Sun May 15, 2022 2:05 pm

Jaykay70 wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 2:02 pm Ahh ok so it’s a top anchor for a child seat…strange,
No it's not :lol:

Check pages 45 & 46 of the Handbook.

"Do not use a child restraint with ISOFIX top tether"
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Post by Jaykay70 » Sun May 15, 2022 2:57 pm

N4LLY wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 2:05 pm
Jaykay70 wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 2:02 pm Ahh ok so it’s a top anchor for a child seat…strange,
No it's not :lol:

Check pages 45 & 46 of the Handbook.

"Do not use a child restraint with ISOFIX top tether"
None of this makes sense…isofix IS for child seats so what is an isofix top anchor used for?

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Post by Roddy » Sun May 15, 2022 3:17 pm

Jaykay70 wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 2:57 pm
N4LLY wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 2:05 pm
Jaykay70 wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 2:02 pm Ahh ok so it’s a top anchor for a child seat…strange,
No it's not :lol:

Check pages 45 & 46 of the Handbook.

"Do not use a child restraint with ISOFIX top tether"
None of this makes sense…isofix IS for child seats so what is an isofix top anchor used for?
Some reading for you

https://www.fundacionmapfre.org/en/blog ... t-systems/

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Post by N4LLY » Sun May 15, 2022 3:48 pm

Roddy wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 3:17 pm
Jaykay70 wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 2:57 pm
N4LLY wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 2:05 pm No it's not :lol:

Check pages 45 & 46 of the Handbook.

"Do not use a child restraint with ISOFIX top tether"
None of this makes sense…isofix IS for child seats so what is an isofix top anchor used for?
Some reading for you

https://www.fundacionmapfre.org/en/blog ... t-systems/
I am out, no idea what i am talking about.

My kids are 25 and 27 so need no protection. Up to you.
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Post by Roddy » Sun May 15, 2022 4:55 pm

N4LLY wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 3:48 pm
Roddy wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 3:17 pm
Jaykay70 wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 2:57 pm

None of this makes sense…isofix IS for child seats so what is an isofix top anchor used for?
Some reading for you

https://www.fundacionmapfre.org/en/blog ... t-systems/
I am out, no idea what i am talking about.

My kids are 25 and 27 so need no protection. Up to you.
Dude, look at this pic.... my car
#1 is a lashing eye as mentioned in the manual pic you posted, barely strong enough to hold a fag packet.
#2 is what OP is asking about, this is part of the body/chassis.
They are clearly not the same.

Look at the manual picture you posted, WHAT DO YOU SEE? DO YOU SEE WHAT THE OP IS ASKING ABOUT?

My car has 470 Child Seat Isofix Attachment, it clearly won't use the piece of crap at the top of the rear firewall.
It DOES need a third location for a strap, it will be the lower.

Just for your entertainment, attached is a pic from my manual, believe it or not they are not the same manuals worldwide.
It shows the location of the ISOFIX brackets in the seat, and explains how to find the lower anchor point by moving the seat back rest forward to reach it, i.e. the location in the OP's question. It's Japanese, but my wife is quite good at it :wink:

So yeah, take your pick.
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Post by B21 » Sun May 15, 2022 6:46 pm

Not arguing the case of which us the correct anchor point to use, however the top (non isofix mount) is bolted to the chassis with a 6mm bolt.

Under the worst circumstances it would take around 900 ft lb of torque to shear it..I would suggest this is slightly in excess of "barely strong enough to hold a fag packet." :thumbsup:
We choose to go to on with this endeavour at this time and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard..

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Post by Nanu » Sun May 15, 2022 7:06 pm

Children should be nowhere near the inside of a Zed. :wink:
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Post by Roddy » Mon May 16, 2022 1:29 am

B21 wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 6:46 pm Not arguing the case of which us the correct anchor point to use, however the top (non isofix mount) is bolted to the chassis with a 6mm bolt.

Under the worst circumstances it would take around 900 ft lb of torque to shear it..I would suggest this is slightly in excess of "barely strong enough to hold a fag packet." :thumbsup:
Well the fag packet comment maybe extreme but the 6mm bolt is irrelevant as this tie down is hinged, which is certainly not strong enough.

Here is the now infamous "lashing eye" :wink:
51479167011 #13 on your bingo card. #15 is the cover surrounding the item OP was asking about, suggesting the "hook" is fixed to the body/chassis. AKA anchor point.

As for should kids be in the car? Why not, if secured. My market is OK with it, suggesting the necessary ISOFIX standards which apply, but Canada....
For Canadian Customers only
The following statement is required by Transport
Canada
This vehicle is not equipped with user-ready
tether anchorages. As such neither a child restraint
system, nor a booster cushion, requiring
the use of a tether strapcan be properly secured
in the vehicle.

For me this "eye" is on my list of useless items in the E89, up there with the useless cup holders tucked inside a useful arm rest, and the phone snap in connector which was probably obsolete as soon as the ink dried on the designer's drawing board.
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Post by Roddy » Wed May 18, 2022 3:41 am

N4LLY wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 2:05 pm
Jaykay70 wrote: Sun May 15, 2022 2:02 pm Ahh ok so it’s a top anchor for a child seat…strange,
No it's not :lol:

Check pages 45 & 46 of the Handbook.

"Do not use a child restraint with ISOFIX top tether"
Waiting for pages 45 & 46, or are you still looking for the toys you threw out of your pram? :rofl:

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