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Roof problem
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Roof problem
Haven’t opened or closed my roof for a few months now. When last used, all was ok though.
When I last used the car I used the boot so had the luggage shelf retracted. No errors on that drive.
Today when I used the car there was a warning in the dashboard - red roof open symbol. Seemed to flash up a few times, I think when I went over bumps
Once parked up, I closed the luggage shelf and tried the roof. Went down ok but seemed to struggle a bit to go back up - it did in the end and all looks to be closed correctly. After this though there was a flashing red light by the roof down switch.
Turned the car off and back on and the flashing red light stopped but still got the odd red roof warning light in the dashboard
Any thoughts/ideas on what this may be?
Thanks all
When I last used the car I used the boot so had the luggage shelf retracted. No errors on that drive.
Today when I used the car there was a warning in the dashboard - red roof open symbol. Seemed to flash up a few times, I think when I went over bumps
Once parked up, I closed the luggage shelf and tried the roof. Went down ok but seemed to struggle a bit to go back up - it did in the end and all looks to be closed correctly. After this though there was a flashing red light by the roof down switch.
Turned the car off and back on and the flashing red light stopped but still got the odd red roof warning light in the dashboard
Any thoughts/ideas on what this may be?
Thanks all
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You will get a dozen replies.
First go buy a obd reader, one that plugs in, like Foxwell. Will pay for itself.
Plug in see what it says. If hall or switch fault, probably a broken wire.
All the circuits are monitored for a break.
Sometimes doesn't show unless roof moves or drive over a bump.
First go buy a obd reader, one that plugs in, like Foxwell. Will pay for itself.
Plug in see what it says. If hall or switch fault, probably a broken wire.
All the circuits are monitored for a break.
Sometimes doesn't show unless roof moves or drive over a bump.
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Thanks.
Sounds like something that will need a garage trip then given my lack of ability . Was hoping it may have been something I’d done that could be sorted.
Sounds like something that will need a garage trip then given my lack of ability . Was hoping it may have been something I’d done that could be sorted.
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It sounds exactly like what ours started doing a few weeks ago.
After reading lots of posts on here I decided it must be the microswitches.
Swapped both microswitches for new ones and the problem has gone.
Microswitches are around £16 each and you will more than likely need 4 new screws to hold them in.
If you search the forum you will find some more info on how to change them.
Minimal tools required, trim removal tools, socket set and a drill, but will take a few hours as most of the boot interior needs to be removed.
Follow instructions carefully, especially the part about marking where the 3 nuts are on each side.
After reading lots of posts on here I decided it must be the microswitches.
Swapped both microswitches for new ones and the problem has gone.
Microswitches are around £16 each and you will more than likely need 4 new screws to hold them in.
If you search the forum you will find some more info on how to change them.
Minimal tools required, trim removal tools, socket set and a drill, but will take a few hours as most of the boot interior needs to be removed.
Follow instructions carefully, especially the part about marking where the 3 nuts are on each side.
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@cuprat
Did you follow the following maintenance list? In your case it's #3. No OBD reader required or helpful.
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@Nictrix
Perfect, I couldn't describe it better.
@all
The red led is not a fault indicator! It only informs, that the roof is neither opened nor closed based on the sensor information.
RED IS NOT FAULT.
Did you follow the following maintenance list? In your case it's #3. No OBD reader required or helpful.
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@Nictrix
Perfect, I couldn't describe it better.
@all
The red led is not a fault indicator! It only informs, that the roof is neither opened nor closed based on the sensor information.
RED IS NOT FAULT.
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Thanks both - that’s really helpful. I will have a look in more detail tomorrow when I have access to my car in the daylight
Random question - to open my drivers door from the inside when locked I now need to unlock it from the centre console switch. I used to just be able to pull the door handle (which is how the passenger door works). This wouldn’t be connected to the roof fault would it?
The door problem started post a fix BMW did on an alarm door sensor
Random question - to open my drivers door from the inside when locked I now need to unlock it from the centre console switch. I used to just be able to pull the door handle (which is how the passenger door works). This wouldn’t be connected to the roof fault would it?
The door problem started post a fix BMW did on an alarm door sensor
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Did you return the car to them after you discovered the issue?Cuprat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:11 pm Thanks both - that’s really helpful. I will have a look in more detail tomorrow when I have access to my car in the daylight
Random question - to open my drivers door from the inside when locked I now need to unlock it from the centre console switch. I used to just be able to pull the door handle (which is how the passenger door works). This wouldn’t be connected to the roof fault would it?
The door problem started post a fix BMW did on an alarm door sensor
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Perhaps the plug in the door not fully connected if that has been fiddled with.
Perhaps the roof doesn't know status of windows and won't allow to operate.
I had problem with plug, windows came down and wouldn't go up. Roof wouldn't move.
In my case i noticed the illumination of buttons was out (bad earth contact on pin?).
I had to remove door card and disconnect plug. Clean with contact cleaner, re=assemble making sure all pins were home, then i think i cable tied it.
No problem since.
Perhaps the roof doesn't know status of windows and won't allow to operate.
I had problem with plug, windows came down and wouldn't go up. Roof wouldn't move.
In my case i noticed the illumination of buttons was out (bad earth contact on pin?).
I had to remove door card and disconnect plug. Clean with contact cleaner, re=assemble making sure all pins were home, then i think i cable tied it.
No problem since.
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If I am not mistaken to open from inside when locked you have to double pull the door handle.Cuprat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:11 pm Random question - to open my drivers door from the inside when locked I now need to unlock it from the centre console switch. I used to just be able to pull the door handle (which is how the passenger door works). This wouldn’t be connected to the roof fault would it?
The door problem started post a fix BMW did on an alarm door sensor
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Thanks allSilverstar wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 12:40 amIf I am not mistaken to open from inside when locked you have to double pull the door handle.Cuprat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:11 pm Random question - to open my drivers door from the inside when locked I now need to unlock it from the centre console switch. I used to just be able to pull the door handle (which is how the passenger door works). This wouldn’t be connected to the roof fault would it?
The door problem started post a fix BMW did on an alarm door sensor
Yes I thought that - a double pull just results in the door staying locked. The little thing that rises when the door is open/closed (what is that called?) rises when the door handle is pulled but falls to the locked position when the handle is released. If I use the lock/unlock button on the centre console it stays up and I can get out off the car.
I have no issues with unlocking from outside the car using the key
In answer to the question above. I haven’t been back to BMW post the fix of the alarm sensor. Just discovered this new ‘feature’
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Thanks allSilverstar wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 12:40 amIf I am not mistaken to open from inside when locked you have to double pull the door handle.Cuprat wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 11:11 pm Random question - to open my drivers door from the inside when locked I now need to unlock it from the centre console switch. I used to just be able to pull the door handle (which is how the passenger door works). This wouldn’t be connected to the roof fault would it?
The door problem started post a fix BMW did on an alarm door sensor
Yes I thought that - a double pull just results in the door staying locked. The little thing that rises when the door is open/closed (what is that called?) rises when the door handle is pulled but falls to the locked position when the handle is released. If I use the lock/unlock button on the centre console it stays up and I can get out off the car.
I have no issues with unlocking from outside the car using the key
In answer to the question above. I haven’t been back to BMW post the fix of the alarm sensor. Just discovered this new ‘feature’
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Went to use the car today and got a constant bong bong bong and warning that the roof was not latched. This wasn’t the message last time I used the car . Only difference this time was I’d been in the boot.
I’m booked into BMW next Tuesday to get this looked at (car has the BMW warranty) but typical that it’s happened when the weather has picked up
I’m booked into BMW next Tuesday to get this looked at (car has the BMW warranty) but typical that it’s happened when the weather has picked up
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That is #3, no doubt. No expensive diagnostics is required, just get the 2 boobies replaced.
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Thanks RobbiZ4 appreciate the expert advice
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I’ll keep this updated so others can see the faults I’ve had a and (hopefully) what fixes it!
Car is currently in the garage - fault was a constant bong and warning message “roof not latched”. Roof was operating.
Of course when I got to the garage to show them it had gone . Putting the top down and up did show a different message to what I’d had before “roof operation impacted” (I think).
Nicest week of the year coming up so no doubt they won’t have the parts to fix it today
Car is currently in the garage - fault was a constant bong and warning message “roof not latched”. Roof was operating.
Of course when I got to the garage to show them it had gone . Putting the top down and up did show a different message to what I’d had before “roof operation impacted” (I think).
Nicest week of the year coming up so no doubt they won’t have the parts to fix it today