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Post by enuff_zed » Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:11 pm

Martyn wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:05 pm The software version is largely irrelevant, but for the sake of simplicity id pick one up that came from the same size engine.
Thank you. I have a source for one already.
I need to talk with bigwinn as he is my coding/software/anything not mechanical lifeline.
Hopefully we can sort this out.
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Post by spazmochad » Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:15 pm

bigwinn wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:09 pm Interesting

Anyone got one of the bimmertools on here?
I don't have anything outside of a BDM100 & the software for bench cloning like for like with a Windows XP laptop.

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Post by bigwinn » Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:16 pm

spazmochad wrote: Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:15 pm
bigwinn wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:09 pm Interesting

Anyone got one of the bimmertools on here?
I don't have anything outside of a BDM100 & the software for bench cloning like for like with a Windows XP laptop.
I've invested in it and i'm installing as we speak
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Post by bigwinn » Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:07 pm

Martyn wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:15 pm You can bench read the DME no problem, however if the DME isn't booting then you won't be able to access via WinKFP.

If the DME isn't booting because the flash is corrupt then BDM (background debug mode) using specialist hardware is the only way to communicate with the ECU.

It's unlikely the DME isnt booting due to corruption though so I'd check for water ingress, corroded pins etc.

If the DME is dead, just pick up a replacement from ebay, you can use the part numbers from RealOEM to find one that will suit.

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showpa ... Id=12_1240

Once you have the replacement you can use https://www.bimmertuningtools.com/produ ... uickflash/ to disable EWS and the car should fire straight up.

Btw, deleting EWS has no negative effects on the car or its security, it simply disables the check performed by the DME to check that it's 'paired' with it's original EWS module. A valid key etc is still required.
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We got the new DME in the car and fired up the program- great

However I cant select the patch EWS box- I've asked the seller for support but he is better at one word answers than I am so not holding my breath...

Have you had this issue?
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Post by enuff_zed » Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:19 pm

bigwinn wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:07 pm
Martyn wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:15 pm You can bench read the DME no problem, however if the DME isn't booting then you won't be able to access via WinKFP.

If the DME isn't booting because the flash is corrupt then BDM (background debug mode) using specialist hardware is the only way to communicate with the ECU.

It's unlikely the DME isnt booting due to corruption though so I'd check for water ingress, corroded pins etc.

If the DME is dead, just pick up a replacement from ebay, you can use the part numbers from RealOEM to find one that will suit.

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showpa ... Id=12_1240

Once you have the replacement you can use https://www.bimmertuningtools.com/produ ... uickflash/ to disable EWS and the car should fire straight up.

Btw, deleting EWS has no negative effects on the car or its security, it simply disables the check performed by the DME to check that it's 'paired' with it's original EWS module. A valid key etc is still required.
Martyn

We got the new DME in the car and fired up the program- great

However I cant select the patch EWS box- I've asked the seller for support but he is better at one word answers than I am so not holding my breath...

Have you had this issue?
Cross-ref to this thread for more details please: viewtopic.php?t=138958

This is where we're at:
"New DME fitted and the software found it and all seemed to be going well. However, the check box to disconnect the EWS would not light up as advertised. Tried to fire it up and we still got a whole raft of codes and it wouldn't even start.
So then we noted that we could update the VIN. The DME has 14 slots to put a VIN into. Unfortunately, you can add, but you cannot remove the old one.
We added my car's VIN and when we updated it, sure enough the DME now shows my VIN. Partial success at least and something Stuart can hopefully use in the future.
Now when we checked it would still not start!!!
All the warning lights are out and the only code is a tamper warning for the EWS. (Even though it should be seeing the correct VIN). Car locks, unlocks, alarms etc, so it seems to be a communication issues between the DME and EWS.
Still we cannot access the check box to disable that function.
Out of interest we refitted my old DME. That starts, hunts, eventually dies, resets and runs smoothly for 10 seconds then dies again. Exactly as it did before. Stuart tried to interrogate it but the new software cannot find it - which at least seems to isolate the issue to that DME.
So it at least seems to prove the EWS is not at fault as that recognises the DME and lets the car start."
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Post by spazmochad » Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:21 pm

bigwinn wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:07 pm
Martyn wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:15 pm You can bench read the DME no problem, however if the DME isn't booting then you won't be able to access via WinKFP.

If the DME isn't booting because the flash is corrupt then BDM (background debug mode) using specialist hardware is the only way to communicate with the ECU.

It's unlikely the DME isnt booting due to corruption though so I'd check for water ingress, corroded pins etc.

If the DME is dead, just pick up a replacement from ebay, you can use the part numbers from RealOEM to find one that will suit.

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showpa ... Id=12_1240

Once you have the replacement you can use https://www.bimmertuningtools.com/produ ... uickflash/ to disable EWS and the car should fire straight up.

Btw, deleting EWS has no negative effects on the car or its security, it simply disables the check performed by the DME to check that it's 'paired' with it's original EWS module. A valid key etc is still required.
Martyn

We got the new DME in the car and fired up the program- great

However I cant select the patch EWS box- I've asked the seller for support but he is better at one word answers than I am so not holding my breath...

Have you had this issue?
Do you need to read the DME with the tool first, then load those files into the next bit before clicking delete EWS and writing the patched code back onto the DME?

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Post by enuff_zed » Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:27 pm

spazmochad wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:21 pm
bigwinn wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:07 pm
Martyn wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:15 pm You can bench read the DME no problem, however if the DME isn't booting then you won't be able to access via WinKFP.

If the DME isn't booting because the flash is corrupt then BDM (background debug mode) using specialist hardware is the only way to communicate with the ECU.

It's unlikely the DME isnt booting due to corruption though so I'd check for water ingress, corroded pins etc.

If the DME is dead, just pick up a replacement from ebay, you can use the part numbers from RealOEM to find one that will suit.

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showpa ... Id=12_1240

Once you have the replacement you can use https://www.bimmertuningtools.com/produ ... uickflash/ to disable EWS and the car should fire straight up.

Btw, deleting EWS has no negative effects on the car or its security, it simply disables the check performed by the DME to check that it's 'paired' with it's original EWS module. A valid key etc is still required.
Martyn

We got the new DME in the car and fired up the program- great

However I cant select the patch EWS box- I've asked the seller for support but he is better at one word answers than I am so not holding my breath...

Have you had this issue?
Do you need to read the DME with the tool first, then load those files into the next bit before clicking delete EWS and writing the patched code back onto the DME?
I watched Stuart. Pretty sure he did exactly those steps but the check box remained greyed out.
Annoying as I'm convinced we're nearly there now.
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Post by spazmochad » Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:36 pm

enuff_zed wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:27 pm
spazmochad wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:21 pm
bigwinn wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:07 pm Martyn

We got the new DME in the car and fired up the program- great

However I cant select the patch EWS box- I've asked the seller for support but he is better at one word answers than I am so not holding my breath...

Have you had this issue?
Do you need to read the DME with the tool first, then load those files into the next bit before clicking delete EWS and writing the patched code back onto the DME?
I watched Stuart. Pretty sure he did exactly those steps but the check box remained greyed out.
Annoying as I'm convinced we're nearly there now.
Yeah, it must be pretty frustrating. Sorry I can't be more helpful as I've not used that tool, I read up a bit before with mine and came to the conclusion that doing a full read write of the DME wasn't possible whilst it was in the car, but I must have been wrong.

If you get totally stuck you're welcome to send them both over and I'll clone them, hopefully Martyn comes back with some more knowledge of the tool and it's something simple.

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Post by enuff_zed » Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:58 pm

spazmochad wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:36 pm If you get totally stuck you're welcome to send them both over and I'll clone them, hopefully Martyn comes back with some more knowledge of the tool and it's something simple.
Thanks for the offer.
As I now know mine is duff and have a compatible replacement we'd already discussed that may be the next step.
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Post by Martyn » Wed Jan 18, 2023 5:26 pm

If it's anything like the MSS70 tool you need to take a full read, then do an RSA bypass. Once the RSA bypass is done an EWS delete can be patched in.

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Post by bigwinn » Wed Jan 18, 2023 6:04 pm

spazmochad wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:21 pm
bigwinn wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 4:07 pm
Martyn wrote: Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:15 pm You can bench read the DME no problem, however if the DME isn't booting then you won't be able to access via WinKFP.

If the DME isn't booting because the flash is corrupt then BDM (background debug mode) using specialist hardware is the only way to communicate with the ECU.

It's unlikely the DME isnt booting due to corruption though so I'd check for water ingress, corroded pins etc.

If the DME is dead, just pick up a replacement from ebay, you can use the part numbers from RealOEM to find one that will suit.

https://www.realoem.com/bmw/enUS/showpa ... Id=12_1240

Once you have the replacement you can use https://www.bimmertuningtools.com/produ ... uickflash/ to disable EWS and the car should fire straight up.

Btw, deleting EWS has no negative effects on the car or its security, it simply disables the check performed by the DME to check that it's 'paired' with it's original EWS module. A valid key etc is still required.
Martyn

We got the new DME in the car and fired up the program- great

However I cant select the patch EWS box- I've asked the seller for support but he is better at one word answers than I am so not holding my breath...

Have you had this issue?
Do you need to read the DME with the tool first, then load those files into the next bit before clicking delete EWS and writing the patched code back onto the DME?
You do- but the saved file wouldn’t then reload

Plus the bloke who sells it is as helpful as a kick in the balls
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Post by Rix » Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:27 pm

Interesting to see how you're getting in with this but disappointing re the software not doing what you want it to! I've fired off an email to these guys as they appear to offer a EWS deleted DME for around the £200 mark. Unless they suggest a test/repair on by original DME I think I might give one of these a go. Will pass on the pop/bangs part of the remap tho! http://dgmaps.co.uk/shop/remapped-ms43-ecu/

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Post by bigwinn » Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:45 pm

Rix wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:27 pm Interesting to see how you're getting in with this but disappointing re the software not doing what you want it to! I've fired off an email to these guys as they appear to offer a EWS deleted DME for around the £200 mark. Unless they suggest a test/repair on by original DME I think I might give one of these a go. Will pass on the pop/bangs part of the remap tho! http://dgmaps.co.uk/shop/remapped-ms43-ecu/
Success (part) today

I managed an end to end process including deleting the ews on my 3.0

Figured it out myself- the instructions and ‘read me’ file are a joke

Fingers crossed I can get back over to martins soon
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Post by enuff_zed » Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:58 pm

bigwinn wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:45 pm
Rix wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 9:27 pm Interesting to see how you're getting in with this but disappointing re the software not doing what you want it to! I've fired off an email to these guys as they appear to offer a EWS deleted DME for around the £200 mark. Unless they suggest a test/repair on by original DME I think I might give one of these a go. Will pass on the pop/bangs part of the remap tho! http://dgmaps.co.uk/shop/remapped-ms43-ecu/
Success (part) today

I managed an end to end process including deleting the ews on my 3.0

Figured it out myself- the instructions and ‘read me’ file are a joke

Fingers crossed I can get back over to martins soon
Well there you go Stuart! If this sorts mine then you’re good for £150 a go. Minus the £149.99 fee for using my car as a development mule 😁
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Post by spazmochad » Thu Jan 19, 2023 11:05 pm

Well done Stuart! :thumbsup:

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