British Lawmaker?

[rdm05z4]

I first want to offer my condolences to all in the UK for the loss of your Lawmaker. I just saw the item on our news here. According to the camera shot they are showing of the street. There appears to be a Gray E85-E86 parked in the drive across the street from the police cars. The car is in the shadows mostly so it may not be a Zed but if so just wonder if anyone here owns it? The news here is saying the stabbing happened in "Leigh-on-SEA"?

[Scooba_Steve]

Lawmaker

Technically correct but seems lost in translation to my ears (eyes!). I suppose MP would mean nothing in the US, are members of Congress/Senate generally referred to as "Lawmakers"?

There appears to be a Gray E85-E86 parked in the drive across the street

A very impressive spot, were you a Marine Corps sniper?

[rdm05z4]

Lawmaker

Technically correct but seems lost in translation to my ears (eyes!). I suppose MP would mean nothing in the US, are members of Congress/Senate generally referred to as "Lawmakers"?

There appears to be a Gray E85-E86 parked in the drive across the street

A very impressive spot, were you a Marine Corps sniper?

Yes over here Congress/Senate are grouped into the term Lawmakers. I guess should have state Member of Parliament? (is that correct)? Sorry didn't mean to offend anyone in the UK.

[Scooba_Steve]

Yes over here Congress/Senate are grouped into the term Lawmakers. I guess should have state Member of Parliament? (is that correct)? Sorry didn't mean to offend anyone in the UK.

Well then I guess it's the most relatable term - no offence here, just doubt many would understand the term

[enuff_zed]

No offence from me either, but it has always been said that whatever happens in the USA will happen ten years later in the UK.
I like to think that we have kept our easy access to our local politicians for longer than that, but sadly I think this may be the beginning of the end for that freedom.

[Pondrew]

I suppose he was a lawmaker, as he was an MP for the ruling party. There need to be some serious questions asked about what is going on in this Country. This is now the second MP killed in 5 years. RIP.
I can't see a 25 year old being politically motivated, either.

[rdgreen]

No offence from me either, but it has always been said that whatever happens in the USA will happen ten years later in the UK.
I like to think that we have kept our easy access to our local politicians for longer than that, but sadly I think this may be the beginning of the end for that freedom.

I would hope not as that would mean groups like the IRA have won. My niece lives in Sydney less than 20 metres from the Prime Ministers residence. I'm sure that there have been numerous background checks done on her, but the fact is that there is only a low fence and a few cameras around as visible signs of security. Long may it continue.

[Old-Duckman]

It is a terrible world. Read this morning that a man in Norway killed 5 people with a bow and arrow. Ya can't fix crazy.

Many people on this side of the pond are anti-firearm and though I surely do not agree with them I can see how they think that if you ban the inanimate object that you will eliminate the crime. This and other tragedies just go to show that it is the evil inside a person not inside the object used to kill or maim.

Of course some will say that a firearm can cause more mayhem than a knife or bow and arrow. There is truth to that statement but driving a car or truck into a crowd of people can cause at least as much carnage as a gun.

I would imagine that many in Australia right now wish that they wouldn't have so easily given up the majority of their firearms.

As much as I am pro-gun...and I am adamantly so, I do believe that probably in my lifetime I will no longer be able to own the firearms that I currently own.

IMO a one world government is rushing head long to our world, much to my disgust, and a free country with an armed citizenry just will not be allowed in such a government. But, I know that I have been born to be alive at this time in history for a reason...not always sure what that reason is but as the Chinese curse goes "may you live in interesting times." And we sure do!

[rdgreen]

It is a terrible world. Read this morning that a man in Norway killed 5 people with a bow and arrow. Ya can't fix crazy.

Many people on this side of the pond are anti-firearm and though I surely do not agree with them I can see how they think that if you ban the inanimate object that you will eliminate the crime. This and other tragedies just go to show that it is the evil inside a person not inside the object used to kill or maim.

Of course some will say that a firearm can cause more mayhem than a knife or bow and arrow. There is truth to that statement but driving a car or truck into a crowd of people can cause at least as much carnage as a gun.

I would imagine that many in Australia right now wish that they wouldn't have so easily given up the majority of their firearms.

As much as I am pro-gun...and I am adamantly so, I do believe that probably in my lifetime I will no longer be able to own the firearms that I currently own.

IMO a one world government is rushing head long to our world, much to my disgust, and a free country with an armed citizenry just will not be allowed in such a government. But, I know that I have been born to be alive at this time in history for a reason...not always sure what that reason is but as the Chinese curse goes "may you live in interesting times." And we sure do!

Complete rubbish. The vast majority here support the laws bought in after the Port Arthur massacre, 25 years ago, and there hasn't been anything like a repeat since (so why you would say we wish we hadn't given up the majority of our firearms, when in fact we now have more registered firearms than prior to Port Arthur, just not semi automatics or pump action weapons) is speaking from a position of ignorance.
Debating gun control with most Americans is an absolute waste of time. Just let me comment that at least cars and trucks have a main purpose beyond maiming and killing....which is the only reason for any guns existence.

Not going to comment on your laws because they are your laws, and you live with the consequences.....20,000 non suicide deaths last year alone.

[Scubaregs]

[Old-Duckman]

It is a terrible world. Read this morning that a man in Norway killed 5 people with a bow and arrow. Ya can't fix crazy.

Many people on this side of the pond are anti-firearm and though I surely do not agree with them I can see how they think that if you ban the inanimate object that you will eliminate the crime. This and other tragedies just go to show that it is the evil inside a person not inside the object used to kill or maim.

Of course some will say that a firearm can cause more mayhem than a knife or bow and arrow. There is truth to that statement but driving a car or truck into a crowd of people can cause at least as much carnage as a gun.

I would imagine that many in Australia right now wish that they wouldn't have so easily given up the majority of their firearms.

As much as I am pro-gun...and I am adamantly so, I do believe that probably in my lifetime I will no longer be able to own the firearms that I currently own.

IMO a one world government is rushing head long to our world, much to my disgust, and a free country with an armed citizenry just will not be allowed in such a government. But, I know that I have been born to be alive at this time in history for a reason...not always sure what that reason is but as the Chinese curse goes "may you live in interesting times." And we sure do!

Complete rubbish. The vast majority here support the laws bought in after the Port Arthur massacre, 25 years ago, and there hasn't been anything like a repeat since (so why you would say we wish we hadn't given up the majority of our firearms, when in fact we now have more registered firearms than prior to Port Arthur, just not semi automatics or pump action weapons) is speaking from a position of ignorance.
Debating gun control with most Americans is an absolute waste of time. Just let me comment that at least cars and trucks have a main purpose beyond maiming and killing....which is the only reason for any guns existence.

Not going to comment on your laws because they are your laws, and you live with the consequences.....20,000 non suicide deaths last year alone.

Well you live there I don't. From what I have seen (many videos on the Net), in at least in some of your states or territories, the police have gone bat sheet crazy. Police abuse looks to be on the level of our police during the civil rights movement of the 60's...if not worse. I have seen people being knocked to the ground and multiple police swarming those people simply for seemingly peacefully protesting. I have seen them shooting protestors with rubber bullets as they are retreating. Saw a supposedly 70 YO lady knocked to the ground and a police officer emptying a can of pepper spray directly into this lady's face as she lays on her back helpless. Insane limits on travel and privacy seem to be the rule instead of the exception. I have seen those in positions of authority speak NWO BS as a matter of course. I have heard people being heavily fined (and some jailed) for organizing peaceful protests. Are these things true or am I seeing/hearing false info?

I think (and I am not alone in this opinion) that the only thing that has kept the US police and Pols from basically doing the same things is our 2nd amendment. One can find opinions on both sides of the fence regarding the results of Australia's gun control laws. Each side has "proof" depending on which side of the gun control issue they are on. All I can say is that I am grateful for our 2nd amendment...for as long as it remains in force. There are many in America who want all guns out of the hands of citizens and limited to law enforcement and military. I don't think that will be an easy task to accomplish but I do believe that it will eventually happen. To be honest I'm not sure what I would do were an actual confiscation order put into effect.

IMO (and that of many others) many of our "mass shooting" have been false flag operations with the goal of restricting firearm ownership of the citizenry. Eventually one of those just might get their goal accomplished. With respect to gun deaths in the US, IMO it is mainly a big city, gang related issue. Your average gun owner is a law abiding citizen who respects the rights and property of others. The 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting or even self protection but was put into our Bill of Rights to protect the citizenry from a tyrannical government. Biden even broached this in one of his speeches where he pooh poohed that by stating that we would need jet aircraft and nuclear weapons to oppose a tyrannical government. in a way he surely has a point...but just look at Afghanistan to see what a determined group of people can accomplish. To underestimate ones opponent is the worst mistake one can make.

During a series of debates on socialism published in 1914, John Basil Barnhill said, "Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty."

[Nanu]

Not wanting to detract from this awful crime and the loss of what appears to be a very loyal public servant just doing his job which is tragic, but guns don't kill, people kill with guns just like people can kill with or without weapons. It's just some things are more efficient than others at achieving it. And yes that is speaking from a position of experience having carried a gun for almost 20 years as part of a previous job.

[Stevo1987]

Not wanting to detract from this awful crime and the loss of what appears to be a very loyal public servant just doing his job which is tragic, but guns don't kill, people kill with guns just like people can kill with or without weapons. It's just some things are more efficient than others at achieving it. And yes that is speaking from a position of experience having carried a gun for almost 20 years as part of a previous job.

007?

[rdgreen]

I'm not going to waste time debating what you think you saw on carefully edited Youtube/Facebook videos etc. Just be aware that, somewhat ironically, you are defending far left, extremist anarchists that were so far out of line that even the most militant union in the country disowned them after physical attacks on union officials. Do some proper research first around who those "protesters" are, what they were protesting about, and the actions they carried out that lead to what you think you saw.

[Nanu]

Not wanting to detract from this awful crime and the loss of what appears to be a very loyal public servant just doing his job which is tragic, but guns don't kill, people kill with guns just like people can kill with or without weapons. It's just some things are more efficient than others at achieving it. And yes that is speaking from a position of experience having carried a gun for almost 20 years as part of a previous job.

007?

Not quite, MI6 don't carry guns, but did met the real Q at one point. Yes he does exist.