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Post by matsmith749 » Thu May 18, 2023 9:43 am

Feels like the battery shouldn't be in the mix as it was replaced 5 months ago - but I would still be checking it regardless & not rely on the fact it was changed 5 months ago.

There are half a dozen grounding points dotted around the car - have you checked these for good solid connections? A failed connector or messed up grounding point could lead to multiple issues like these.
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Post by dumaurier7 » Thu May 18, 2023 2:40 pm

The battery is the first thing I checked, and it was very healthy and still is. This is exactly what I am experiencing..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8bJegVxo_c

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Post by B21 » Thu May 18, 2023 4:29 pm

dumaurier7 wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 2:40 pm The battery is the first thing I checked, and it was very healthy and still is. This is exactly what I am experiencing..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8bJegVxo_c
Yup as I said can bus errors..as was also stated it doesn’t take much to get an error..bad battery connections, bad battery, faulty earth straps..

Best take it to a competent auto electrician :thumbsup:
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Post by dumaurier7 » Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:30 pm

dumaurier7 wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 2:40 pm The battery is the first thing I checked, and it was very healthy and still is. This is exactly what I am experiencing..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8bJegVxo_c
Hello all, I think I may have narrowed the issue down to the main (black) power relay located on the junction box, apparently it was not seated properly! to check the effects of this I pulled it completely out and the car went into CRAZY mode like before which subsided when I reinstalled it, also the running temperature of this relay is a bit warm to the touch, not sure if this is normal so I bought a new replacement just in case to verify.

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Post by dumaurier7 » Thu Jun 29, 2023 6:08 pm

dumaurier7 wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:30 pm
dumaurier7 wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 2:40 pm The battery is the first thing I checked, and it was very healthy and still is. This is exactly what I am experiencing..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8bJegVxo_c
Hello all, I think I may have narrowed the issue down to the main (black) power relay located on the junction box, apparently it was not seated properly! to check the effects of this I pulled it completely out and the car went into CRAZY mode like before which subsided when I reinstalled it, also the running temperature of this relay is a bit warm to the touch, not sure if this is normal so I bought a new replacement just in case to verify.
Nope! not the relay but still definitely seems to be power related. After I changed the relay, all was well for a while, but weird things would keep happening like, lights refusing to turn off, boot not opening with the remote and the aux. port switching off. Simultaneously during the hiatus period, I purchased and installed a P3 gauge which allows me to see battery voltage (among other things) which read normal at the time around 14.2V with the motor at idle. Recently the symptoms have returned and are occurring with a greater frequency as if it's on a timer, so I decide to purchase a brand-new battery just to eliminate it from the suspect list, but this made no difference! two days ago on my way home from work I decided to observe the battery voltage, what I saw was confusing, alarming but relieving! When on the gas the voltage would be 12.5V-12.7V and when I get on the brake it would jump up to 14.2-14.5! Clearly the alternator/regulator is not functioning correctly, and the battery is running things until its power is depleted after which the craziness starts (at least this is what I hope is happening!). I have since bought a new regulator as the alternator only has 22K km on it, so I doubt is physically bad, after I install, I will post my findings again.

Cheers!

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Post by Smartbear » Thu Jun 29, 2023 6:53 pm

dumaurier7 wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2023 6:08 pm
dumaurier7 wrote: Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:30 pm
dumaurier7 wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 2:40 pm The battery is the first thing I checked, and it was very healthy and still is. This is exactly what I am experiencing..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8bJegVxo_c
Hello all, I think I may have narrowed the issue down to the main (black) power relay located on the junction box, apparently it was not seated properly! to check the effects of this I pulled it completely out and the car went into CRAZY mode like before which subsided when I reinstalled it, also the running temperature of this relay is a bit warm to the touch, not sure if this is normal so I bought a new replacement just in case to verify.
Nope! not the relay but still definitely seems to be power related. After I changed the relay, all was well for a while, but weird things would keep happening like, lights refusing to turn off, boot not opening with the remote and the aux. port switching off. Simultaneously during the hiatus period, I purchased and installed a P3 gauge which allows me to see battery voltage (among other things) which read normal at the time around 14.2V with the motor at idle. Recently the symptoms have returned and are occurring with a greater frequency as if it's on a timer, so I decide to purchase a brand-new battery just to eliminate it from the suspect list, but this made no difference! two days ago on my way home from work I decided to observe the battery voltage, what I saw was confusing, alarming but relieving! When on the gas the voltage would be 12.5V-12.7V and when I get on the brake it would jump up to 14.2-14.5! Clearly the alternator/regulator is not functioning correctly, and the battery is running things until its power is depleted after which the craziness starts (at least this is what I hope is happening!). I have since bought a new regulator as the alternator only has 22K km on it, so I doubt is physically bad, after I install, I will post my findings again.

Cheers!
The voltages you’ve measured are normal for an e89, they don’t charge at a uniform rate like the older model due to the ibs - it puts more load on the alternator during braking to lessen the parasitic load when accelerating/cruising.
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Post by flybobbie » Thu Jun 29, 2023 9:28 pm

Yet the voltmeter i fitted never shows any voltage change.

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Post by Smartbear » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:26 pm

flybobbie wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2023 9:28 pm Yet the voltmeter i fitted never shows any voltage change.
Maybe your ibs has gone faulty? The charging rate should definitely vary :thumbsup:
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Post by RobbiZ4 » Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:40 pm

Smartbear wrote: Thu Jun 29, 2023 11:26 pm [/quote
Maybe your IBS has gone faulty?
Good idea. I heard about a faulty IBS some days sgo and got it today for further investigations. I don't know what and how to measure, but I will be able to mount the old one into my Z4.
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Post by dumaurier7 » Fri Jun 30, 2023 1:39 pm

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The voltages you’ve measured are normal for an e89, they don’t charge at a uniform rate like the older model due to the ibs - it puts more load on the alternator during braking to lessen the parasitic load when accelerating/cruising.
Rob
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I think you may be correct! I continued monitoring the voltages displayed and they do cycle between 14.5 and 13.2 fairly constantly which suggests that the charging rate is constantly being adjusted. I have now exhausted all the options I could think of so I have now enlisted the support of a local BMW specialist, will report back with findings.

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Post by dumaurier7 » Tue Jul 11, 2023 4:21 pm

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I think you may be correct! I continued monitoring the voltages displayed and they do cycle between 14.5 and 13.2 fairly constantly which suggests that the charging rate is constantly being adjusted. I have now exhausted all the options I could think of so I have now enlisted the support of a local BMW specialist, will report back with findings.
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I have not had the issue since recently swapped out the battery for the brand new one (shown below), however, I three issues still persist.
1. My A/C is nonfunctional, everything is throwing a fault in the system!
2. The exterior lights (head, park and third) occasionally remain on.
3. The trunk does not unlock with the key fob anymore.
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Post by matsmith749 » Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:51 pm

OK - so it was the battery after all that?

Remember months ago, when i told you so.
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Post by dumaurier7 » Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:05 pm

matsmith749 wrote: Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:51 pm OK - so it was the battery after all that?

Remember months ago, when i told you so.
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Post by dumaurier7 » Tue Oct 31, 2023 10:47 pm

So it started again! Don’t think it’s the battery anymore!☹️

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Post by B21 » Tue Oct 31, 2023 11:39 pm

Was the new battery registered ?
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