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Ordered - only joking. At £63,145 OTR before you add any packs, except for Shadowline which is included in the handschalter pack, I just don't think it is worth it. Add the fact that the only available colour combination at the moment is dubious to say the least. Its personal preference of course but I feel the B58 engine is better mated with an auto box

You've been asked a zillion times. But did you regret getting rid of the 718?

I agree about the auto/B58 combo, it is lovely.

GrinnyGrl wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 12:51 pm You've been asked a zillion times. But did you regret getting rid of the 718?

I agree about the auto/B58 combo, it is lovely.

On balance no. The 718 with the N/A flat six is some package, however, I'd had it from new and it was coming up to 3 years old so it was extended warranty time coupled with a major service at 4 years old. Added to that some bad OPC experiences and I felt it was time to return to BMW. I had admired Thundernight on the 2 series and when they introduced it on the LCI G29 that sealed it for me and I have no regrets.

Boyo wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 1:19 pm

On balance no. The 718 with the N/A flat six is some package, however, I'd had it from new and it was coming up to 3 years old so it was extended warranty time coupled with a major service at 4 years old. Added to that some bad OPC experiences and I felt it was time to return to BMW. I had admired Thundernight on the 2 series and when they introduced it on the LCI G29 that sealed it for me and I have no regrets.
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I sold my base 718 for many of the same reasons, although there were two other main reasons also.

I had a £1,400 warranty bill about 18 months in and had I kept the car I too was looking at taking out a warranty and facing the 4 year service bill.

There are times I regret selling, was by far the best handling car I've ever owned.

The Boxster platform is epic but also flawed with the same logic as the BMWs.

My dad has a 981 Boxster GTS and in terms of appointment, liveability its a great car. If you want something that makes you feel like a driving god there's not much better.

Things I really dislike about it, the car doesn't feel as fast as my M. Mainly they are almost identical but the GTS doesn't make as much torque low down like the M and it doesn't have that get up and go. The positives for me are negatives it just doesn't move and I enjoy pushing the car around a bit and the M is so tail happy that the Boxster felt a bit boring to me didn't make my heart flutter.

He also has a 991 S with the same engine in the 718 GTS and I think the 911 even tho its a 991 is far more exciting to drive because like the M it steps out and is less predictable. The 991 engine has that more power and that does feel quick although it's a bit heavier but I enjoy driving the 991 so much more than the 981. Sport plus it feels like such an animal. Both are PDK.

With the 718 GTS im sure that the engine makes up for the pep, although again I think these are high geared too? Im sure it still has the same qualities in terms of being very predictable.

I know its a bit silly that to me a car thats quick and glued to the road is a negative but I got my first M at 23 and ive just learned rightly or wrongly thats what I like and when I drive these other cars they just dont have the same axe murderer like quality.

Although the Z4 is a lot more grown up than the Z4M it still has the same BMW qualities as my 18 year old M.

Kind of why ive kept in the Ms because I dont think the m40 is worth £65k and its quirks and that on the edge feeling just doesn't exist in modern cars unless you go for a GT models.

john-e89 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:55 pm

Pondrew wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:48 pm

john-e89 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:44 pm Yes, adaptive cruise is only possible on auto cars.

Why's that then, Ted?
Adaptive uses radar, that I do know. Why does a gearbox affect that?
Waste of technology IME. THE most annoying thing on any car I've owned with it.

Who’s Ted…?

Something to do with dipping the clutch for a length of time if I remember correctly…could be wrong of course.

On my X5M, adaptive was not available but was on the non M cars. Perhaps the new manual has the same "exclusive" issues with that

pvr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 3:12 pm

john-e89 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:55 pm

Pondrew wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:48 pm Why's that then, Ted?
Adaptive uses radar, that I do know. Why does a gearbox affect that?
Waste of technology IME. THE most annoying thing on any car I've owned with it.

Who’s Ted…?

Something to do with dipping the clutch for a length of time if I remember correctly…could be wrong of course.

On my X5M, adaptive was not available but was on the non M cars. Perhaps the new manual has the same "exclusive" issues with that

No I’m wrong, seems you CAN have adaptive on a manual, not many manufacturers offer it however.

Probably tech has improved from when I was looking at adaptive a few years ago, eg, the new Ranger has adaptive that can keep to varying speed limits without you adjusting it if you want.

Scubaregs wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 9:57 am We put out a car in San Remo green the other day, not a zed mind you. It looked absolutely fantastic and this was on a dull day with heavy rain.

How did it look in reality compared with the configerator image?

The only other green I have seen I think is called Isle of Man green and that was on an M4 which looked great.

Far better in reality Nanu, Isle of man green is cracking, we had an M8 in it.

Scubaregs wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:49 pm Far better in reality Nanu, Isle of man green is cracking, we had an M8 in it.

Hopefully when STMBO is in the right frame of mind, there will be a green M40 available with cognac interior waiting for me.

Just harking back to one of my favourite cars which was a Mazda 323 Limited edition. One of the last 500 made with a V6 Zedos engine. That was Emerald Green with a dark cream interior and after 3 years of ownership, I sold it for more than I paid for it.

john-e89 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:07 pm

pvr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 3:12 pm

john-e89 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 10:55 pm

Who’s Ted…?

Something to do with dipping the clutch for a length of time if I remember correctly…could be wrong of course.

On my X5M, adaptive was not available but was on the non M cars. Perhaps the new manual has the same "exclusive" issues with that

No I’m wrong, seems you CAN have adaptive on a manual, not many manufacturers offer it however.

Probably tech has improved from when I was looking at adaptive a few years ago, eg, the new Ranger has adaptive that can keep to varying speed limits without you adjusting it if you want.

Our 2018 Golf GT has adaptive as standard and it's a manual, when you change gear the cruise remains active

The fact they've only given one colour choice for this is disappointing, and it couldn't be more of an old fart combo.

We're these not about £45k when they were launched in 2019?
Seems like a huge jump in price in 5 years.

Nictrix wrote: ↑Mon Feb 05, 2024 1:44 pm We're these not about £45k when they were launched in 2019?
Seems like a huge jump in price in 5 years.

About £49k, apparently.

Still, big increase and now the used market is looking a bit more normal you can get a 2023 M40i with 10 miles on the clock for £43k.

If demand isn't high there may be some discounts out there.

sars wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2024 2:37 pm

john-e89 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:07 pm

pvr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 02, 2024 3:12 pm On my X5M, adaptive was not available but was on the non M cars. Perhaps the new manual has the same "exclusive" issues with that

No I’m wrong, seems you CAN have adaptive on a manual, not many manufacturers offer it however.

Probably tech has improved from when I was looking at adaptive a few years ago, eg, the new Ranger has adaptive that can keep to varying speed limits without you adjusting it if you want.

Our 2018 Golf GT has adaptive as standard and it's a manual, when you change gear the cruise remains active

Not tempted by a manual are you Sars given you use it for everyday duties…?