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We have a watch thread for other Z models so here's one for the latest Z4
Over 50 cars currently available on AT , to get a grasp here's a example of 20i , 30i & 40i on offer 18th May 2019

820m 20i Sytner Cardiff £34,500 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201905027527721?onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&sort=sponsored&advertising-location=at_cars&make=BMW&radius=1500&price-from=30000&model=Z4&postcode=bb120hr&page=1

10m 30i Sytner Newport £42k https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201905157953851?price-from=30000&radius=1500&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&make=BMW&sort=sponsored&model=Z4&advertising-location=at_cars&postcode=bb120hr&page=3

del miles 40i Peter Vardy Edinburgh £44990 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201904267338340?price-from=30000&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&advertising-location=at_cars&make=BMW&model=Z4&sort=sponsored&radius=1500&postcode=bb120hr&page=4
 
1 owner 1500 mile :? 30i £40k Cooper Croydon https://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/bmw/z4-roadster/bmw-z4-roadster-sdrive-30i-m-sport-2dr-auto-2019-19/9657641
 
Just seen this one on Autotrader: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201905228237406?radius=1500&sort=sponsored&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&model=Z4&make=BMW&year-from=2019&advertising-location=at_cars&aggregatedTrim=M40i&postcode=wn89qs&page=1

BUt when I chatted with them, apparently it's sold. Despite me not telling them which BMW I was talking about on their website. Seemed a little too cheap for a first edition car at £41k
 
We are a few months in to G29's being delivered to the UK and there is plenty of ex-demos starting to appear on Autotrader - 144 used cars in total as of 5-Aug-19. 88 of them are the 20i's which i assume will do the best on pcp deals. Some examples below.

M40i - Plenty at just Sub £40k. I am sure those over could be haggled:
Stephen James BMW Woolwich 3.8k miles £38,995 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906189140506
Williams Bmw Stockport 4.2k miles £39,480 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201907310659101
Cooper Cobham BMW 3.4k miles £39,830 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201905087748877


30i - Looks like they are around the £36K mark
Marshall BMW Scunthorpe 2.5k miles £35,950 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906138987078
Stratstone BMW Derby 100 miles £35,990 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906289510274
Cooper Cobham BMW 1.6k miles £36,030 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201905087748897


20i - Just over £30k is the lowest
Stratstone Bmw Hull 100 miles £30,400 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201907029646782
Stratstone Bmw Harrogate 100 miles £30,400 milhttps://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906299527318
Stratstone Bmw Derby 100 miles £30,650 https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201906289510287

Once the M40i's get to £32K'ish I think I will be very tempted (would love a 6 cylinder)! Does not look like it will take long.
 
I do think the values will be even worse than the E89, competition is too stiff and IMO hasn't really moved the marque on.
 
The word on the grapevine is they have been axed... Will be the last Z4 apparently

https://jalopnik.com/the-bmw-z4-could-get-axed-after-this-generation-report-1836828402
 
tomscott said:
The word on the grapevine is they have been axed... Will be the last Z4 apparently

https://jalopnik.com/the-bmw-z4-could-get-axed-after-this-generation-report-1836828402
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Yep. along with the TT, and SLC (SLK).

It makes sense to trim the range otherwise. Their lineup is ridiculous at the moment ... 1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8 series , then the GT variants, gran coupes, X versions of almost every model. It's insane :tumbleweed:

The Z4 is an odd one. From the moment I saw it in the flesh in the showroom, it looked and felt to me like a 2 seater, 4 series convertible. Have a think about that, I promise it makes sense :?
 
The thing is BMW make niche products for niche owners but they don't appeal to niche owners because they are all average to drive.

I completely agree and was my argument with the E89 too. Why would you buy a 2 seater sports car where you compromise on practicality when it drives about the same as a 3 series... The Z4M is a good example its a niche car but its a great car to drive... the new gen cars all drive the same there is no real difference in experience.

I suppose you buy it for looks... I have to be honest im not a hater of the new design but its not exactly a masterpiece either. I suppose putting my money where my mouth is, again I dont think £54k for what you get is expensive compared to the 718, but I still wouldn't buy it.

The M2 is the only car in the line that remotely appeals because it feels like a modern E46 otherwise I feel the range just blends into the rest of the cars on the road. Product of their own success.

Without an M variant there is no heritage or aspiration either.

The fact the legendary M3 coupe is now called the M4 and the M3 is now a saloon is a perfect example of disastrous marketing.

Its the same across the range. SUVs X1/2/3/4/5/6/7 are they all really necessary!? They need to cull the range and go back to basics making a more limited but excellent range. I feel like BMW are similar to Apple... going through a period where it could easily see the end of the golden era.

Although its a bit more complicated as we are heading into the electric age and BMWs additions have been a big swing and miss.
 
That article makes sense in many ways, especially when it says BMW probably knew the new Z4 wasn’t going to do it any favours which to me is emphasised in the car as a whole. I still cannot understand where there is 55k in a loaded M40i, look past the fancy screens and it’s as cheap as chips, build quality is ‘meh’, an engine with no more to it than the 35is’s, a mediocre HK gramophone, dull steering, heavy big car, the list goes on, they’re asking top dollar for middle of the road at best product. They edged their bets, if it takes off, bonus, if not, as expected, the ones we do sell should at least cover the R&D costs with a few quid for lunch.

No offence to owners, just imo obviously. Not that you care a rats ass what I say anyway....and why should you..... :lol:
 
tomscott said:
The thing is BMW make niche products for niche owners but they don't appeal to niche owners because they are all average to drive.

I completely agree and was my argument with the E89 too. Why would you buy a 2 seater sports car where you compromise on practicality when it drives about the same as a 3 series... The Z4M is a good example its a niche car but its a great car to drive... the new gen cars all drive the same there is no real difference in experience.

I suppose you buy it for looks... I have to be honest im not a hater of the new design but its not exactly a masterpiece either. I suppose putting my money where my mouth is, again I dont think £54k for what you get is expensive compared to the 718, but I still wouldn't buy it.

The M2 is the only car in the line that remotely appeals because it feels like a modern E46 otherwise I feel the range just blends into the rest of the cars on the road. Product of their own success.

Without an M variant there is no heritage or aspiration either.

The fact the legendary M3 coupe is now called the M4 and the M3 is now a saloon is a perfect example of disastrous marketing.

Its the same across the range. SUVs X1/2/3/4/5/6/7 are they all really necessary!? They need to cull the range and go back to basics making a more limited but excellent range. I feel like BMW are similar to Apple... going through a period where it could easily see the end of the golden era.

Although its a bit more complicated as we are heading into the electric age and BMWs additions have been a big swing and miss.
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Well put Tom nothing in there I can disagree with. :cry:
 
john-e89 said:
That article makes sense in many ways, especially when it says BMW probably knew the new Z4 wasn’t going to do it any favours which to me is emphasised in the car as a whole. I still cannot understand where there is 55k in a loaded M40i, look past the fancy screens and it’s as cheap as chips, build quality is ‘meh’, an engine with no more to it than the 35is’s, a mediocre HK gramophone, dull steering, heavy big car, the list goes on, they’re asking top dollar for middle of the road at best product. They edged their bets, if it takes off, bonus, if not, as expected, the ones we do sell should at least cover the R&D costs with a few quid for lunch.

No offence to owners, just imo obviously. Not that you care a rats ass what I say anyway....and why should you..... :lol:
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That’s a bit harsh :P

I went to look at a used one in Sapphire/Ivory at Williams BMW in Manchester, £39.5k with 3000 miles on it, was a little tempted but the thought of buying an ex demonstrator was a sanity reminder.
 
sars said:
john-e89 said:
That article makes sense in many ways, especially when it says BMW probably knew the new Z4 wasn’t going to do it any favours which to me is emphasised in the car as a whole. I still cannot understand where there is 55k in a loaded M40i, look past the fancy screens and it’s as cheap as chips, build quality is ‘meh’, an engine with no more to it than the 35is’s, a mediocre HK gramophone, dull steering, heavy big car, the list goes on, they’re asking top dollar for middle of the road at best product. They edged their bets, if it takes off, bonus, if not, as expected, the ones we do sell should at least cover the R&D costs with a few quid for lunch.

No offence to owners, just imo obviously. Not that you care a rats ass what I say anyway....and why should you..... :lol:
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That’s a bit harsh :P

I went to look at a used one in Sapphire/Ivory at Williams BMW in Manchester, £39.5k with 3000 miles on it, was a little tempted but the thought of buying an ex demonstrator was a sanity reminder.
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I’d have a 2nd hand one as a daily and for pumping up and down the motorway as it has adaptive cruise, plus a 2nd hander I’d be more inclined to swap out the speakers etc, but as a fun sports car... :topicclosed: :wink:
 
Agree with the majority but I dont agree with the HK comments I think its excellent. Especially for a small cabin. I played with the settings made it like I have in the mini and thought it was great.

Not quite as good as the Burmester in the 991 but that is many Ks more, infact double the price of the tech pack on the Z4. Got the same system in my mini and its probably the best system ive had in a vehicle, its a bigger cabin and has more speakers but think its really excelent. Again have had many years with the bose in the 996/997 always had to dial these back they are so boomy, HK in the E46, Logic in the E92, burmester in the 991.

The build quality I also thought was standard BMW... what I would expect.

At the end of the day 50k is mid range price for BMW. The new 330i which is a 4 pot is 50k with most of the boxes ticked, not even top of the range assuming there will be a M340 or the likes which will add even more say 5-6k?

How much was the Box GTS? Starts at 63k, get rid of the alcantara and add some nice wheels... easy to spend 10k on features that come with most cars these days. Thats another 15-20k... over the Z4 easy. Go to town your talking a completely different ball park, the Z4 doesn't compete in that space. The Porsche spec list is silly but at the end of the day its 70% more expensive... with the spec sheet ticked. In all honesty with that sort of money it opens up a whole other door to exotica.

Granted the G29 is no M but its a better car than the E89 and really its almost the same recipe. 2 seats same engines as 3 series and drives like one too. Like I said niche car that doesnt fill the niche of the enthusiast... but its not an M car and I dont know why people expect it to be. Depends where you are, glass half full or glass half empty.

Many people just want a new car, pay monthly and be done with it. How many people outside forums have weekend only cars now? Most people have cars that do everything and in this respect the Z4 might be quite an appealing package.

I think the original price of my M and it was 43k that was slated as expensive too... in todays money it would be 62k... works across the board. All new cars are expensive.

The enthusiast market is getting more and more niche... sportscar sales are super low. Porsche still sell many times more SUVs than they do sportscars and that is their bread and butter, if it wasnt for the Cayenne porsche might not be what it is today.

Diversity aids success but BMW have taken that to a whole new level unfortunately the Z4 is a victim to it.
 
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