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Post by DaveP » Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:56 pm

Pondrew wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 9:52 pm Thanks for positive comments chaps. I know you are trying to help with the sale. :thumbsup:
I just don't think the market is there at the moment.

I could possibly do a deal for a forum member (if I like the look of them. Or even if not)! :lol:
It's a stunning car, but being honest your market for a very expensive, low mileage version is pretty small.

If you want it gone quickly, it would need to be cheaper. If you want what you're asking for it, you're likely going to need to be patient.

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Post by Pondrew » Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:59 pm

DaveP wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:56 pm very expensive, low mileage version
Three out of five of those words are correct.
If anyone can find me a cheaper (equivalent) car for sale today I will drop the price. I haven't found one, though! :)

There are six manual 20is 2014-2017 with under 45k miles for sale on AT. One is a CAT N so doesn't count, all but one have 10k more miles and are more expensive. The only other with 30k miles is an SE spec in white with no heated seats and is £14k.
So I fail to see how mine is 'very expensive' unless they all are. And if they all are, then they can't be! :)

Mine is also the ONLY estoril one for sale in the UK at present (that I can find).
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Post by Zed Baron » Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:12 pm

Pondrew wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:59 pm
DaveP wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:56 pm very expensive, low mileage version
Three out of five of those words are correct.
If anyone can find me a cheaper (equivalent) car for sale today I will drop the price. I haven't found one, though! :)
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Post by Boyo » Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:18 pm

I think its attractively priced. Unfortunately its a bad time of year for convertibles coupled with a pretty depressed market. If space is an issue then try to find some storage for a couple of months and advertise it towards the end of March.
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Post by Pondrew » Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:21 pm

Boyo wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:18 pm I think its attractively priced. Unfortunately its a bad time of year for convertibles coupled with a pretty depressed market. If space is an issue then try to find some storage for a couple of months and advertise it towards the end of March.
I do have space to keep it, but it is not where I would ideally WANT to keep it.
All good things come to those who wait. I'm really impatient which explains a lot.

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Post by DaveP » Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:36 pm

Pondrew wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 4:59 pm
DaveP wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:56 pm very expensive, low mileage version
Three out of five of those words are correct.
If anyone can find me a cheaper (equivalent) car for sale today I will drop the price. I haven't found one, though! :)

There are six manual 20is 2014-2017 with under 45k miles for sale on AT. One is a CAT N so doesn't count, all but one have 10k more miles and are more expensive. The only other with 30k miles is an SE spec in white with no heated seats and is £14k.
So I fail to see how mine is 'very expensive' unless they all are. And if they all are, then they can't be! :)

Mine is also the ONLY estoril one for sale in the UK at present (that I can find).
You've kind of just proven my point.

20is start from less than £5k on Autotrader. That makes yours quite expensive for someone who's in the market for a 20i.

Unless (and this is the crucial point) they are looking for a late car, with low miles, in Estoril blue.

The reality is that, particularly at this time of year, there aren't loads of people wandering around with massive budgets to buy impractical cars. So the number of people that your car appeals to is REALLY small. And the number who can actually afford to buy it is even smaller.

It's a bind, because it's obviously a lovely car that is worth £12k to you. But sheer numbers means that you may end up waiting a while to find that other person who agrees.

This is the tricky bit with low mileage examples of cars that don't have a cult following. For example, were this an E92 M3 you'd probably find some lunatic to buy it no matter how you priced it. :rofl:

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Post by Pondrew » Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:30 pm

DaveP wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:36 pm 20is start from less than £5k on Autotrader. That makes yours quite expensive for someone who's in the market for a 20i.

Unless (and this is the crucial point) they are looking for a late car, with low miles, in Estoril blue.

The reality is that, particularly at this time of year, there aren't loads of people wandering around with massive budgets to buy impractical cars. So the number of people that your car appeals to is REALLY small. And the number who can actually afford to buy it is even smaller.

It's a bind, because it's obviously a lovely car that is worth £12k to you. But sheer numbers means that you may end up waiting a while to find that other person who agrees.
I get what you are saying, and yes, in a slow market at the worst time of year it is not easy to sell.

Problem I have is when I decide to sell a car I instantly emotionally 'check out' from it. It becomes a 'problem' if I can't flog it quickly (in my mind). Previously I have priced cars very keenly so they have sold almost instantly (because everybody loves a bargain car). Doing that has cost me a LOT of money over the past few years. So with this one I decided not to do what I have done before as I am fed up with giving very good cars away! :)

I ONLY buy low mileage, good cars. They cost quite a lot more than an equivalent with higher miles and not so good. That is a fact of life (certainly lately). So I bought this one for a premium. It is still very low mileage so the premium should still apply (just less than before obviously because cars lose money). I WILL lose a significant amount on this car, so don't worry folks! :D
All good things come to those who wait. I'm really impatient which explains a lot.

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Post by Boyo » Tue Jan 14, 2025 9:14 pm

Pondrew wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:21 pm
Boyo wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:18 pm I think its attractively priced. Unfortunately its a bad time of year for convertibles coupled with a pretty depressed market. If space is an issue then try to find some storage for a couple of months and advertise it towards the end of March.
I do have space to keep it, but it is not where I would ideally WANT to keep it.
Crack on
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Post by pvr » Tue Jan 14, 2025 9:23 pm

What is the replacement going to be?
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Post by Scubaregs » Tue Jan 14, 2025 9:54 pm

pvr wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 9:23 pm What is the replacement going to be?
Short lived, most likely. :rofl:
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Post by Pondrew » Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:34 pm

pvr wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 9:23 pm What is the replacement going to be?
You won't like it, that I can guarantee.

The remit for changing the Z4 was:
A more practical car with a hatchback and decent luggage space. It had to be manual (a problem :roll:), be fun to drive and with some 'poke'. It had to not be 'chavvy' (according to my lovely wife), look OK and be in a pretty colour. It also had to have parking sensors front and rear, a decent stereo (she likes shite music at loud volumes) and have sat-nav. It also needed to have decent headlights and electric/heated seats.

My remit was it had to cost less than £30k and be less than 2 years old with very low mileage.

I have fulfilled all the requirements; and some. It is being delivered on Thursday. :thumbsup:
All good things come to those who wait. I'm really impatient which explains a lot.

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Post by Reamesy » Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:55 pm

Pondrew wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 8:30 pm
DaveP wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 5:36 pm 20is start from less than £5k on Autotrader. That makes yours quite expensive for someone who's in the market for a 20i.

Unless (and this is the crucial point) they are looking for a late car, with low miles, in Estoril blue.

The reality is that, particularly at this time of year, there aren't loads of people wandering around with massive budgets to buy impractical cars. So the number of people that your car appeals to is REALLY small. And the number who can actually afford to buy it is even smaller.

It's a bind, because it's obviously a lovely car that is worth £12k to you. But sheer numbers means that you may end up waiting a while to find that other person who agrees.
I get what you are saying, and yes, in a slow market at the worst time of year it is not easy to sell.

Problem I have is when I decide to sell a car I instantly emotionally 'check out' from it. It becomes a 'problem' if I can't flog it quickly (in my mind). Previously I have priced cars very keenly so they have sold almost instantly (because everybody loves a bargain car). Doing that has cost me a LOT of money over the past few years. So with this one I decided not to do what I have done before as I am fed up with giving very good cars away! :)

I ONLY buy low mileage, good cars. They cost quite a lot more than an equivalent with higher miles and not so good. That is a fact of life (certainly lately). So I bought this one for a premium. It is still very low mileage so the premium should still apply (just less than before obviously because cars lose money). I WILL lose a significant amount on this car, so don't worry folks! :D
You have a great car Pondrew. As you know; if you can hold on to it until spring you stand a good chance of getting its true worth to the right buyer.

But if you are in a rush then it will go against its true value

I paid way over for my current car due to its condition and service history. However I’m more than happy as I would have spent the same or more trying to get another high mileage car to the same level.

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Post by IRD » Wed Jan 15, 2025 3:42 pm

Pondrew wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 10:34 pm
pvr wrote: Tue Jan 14, 2025 9:23 pm What is the replacement going to be?
:D

You won't like it, that I can guarantee.

The remit for changing the Z4 was:
A more practical car with a hatchback and decent luggage space. It had to be manual (a problem :roll:), be fun to drive and with some 'poke'. It had to not be 'chavvy' (according to my lovely wife), look OK and be in a pretty colour. It also had to have parking sensors front and rear, a decent stereo (she likes shite music at loud volumes) and have sat-nav. It also needed to have decent headlights and electric/heated seats.

My remit was it had to cost less than £30k and be less than 2 years old with very low mileage.

I have fulfilled all the requirements; and some. It is being delivered on Thursday. :thumbsup:
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Post by pvr » Wed Jan 15, 2025 4:39 pm

Well, he said I wouldn’t like it so it is not German.

Probably something Japanese as I can’t think that even Pondrew would buy British
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Post by JakeS76 » Sun Jan 19, 2025 7:27 pm

Beautiful car. If only it was the auto gearbox. As I'm looking for one similar. Hope it finds a new owner very soon.

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