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Post by Ed Doe » Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:09 pm

buzyg wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 11:58 am
MikeyH wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 10:52 am I must be on my own here, I’ve never been a fan of the shopping trolleys with big engine era.
:o :? They are just so fast and fun, in the real world, for the money. :driving: The Fiat Coupe 20vt, was basically a hot hatch, with no hatch. I think it started as a Tipo in a dress. It could live with TVRs and embarrass E36 M3 Evo's. You have missed out Mike. :wink:
Don't forget the Clio Williams, 182 etc, Peugeot 106GTi, 205 GTi, 306 GTi-6s!! The French imo had he Hot hatch market absolutely nailed for such a large chunk of the 80s/90s/00s! Absolute HOOTs to drive, and actually sensible to run/practical as well. As I say, I still miss my old 306 GTi-6 :(
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Post by pvr » Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:40 pm

And in those days there were no speed cameras, so I was absolutely loving the 16V Golf GTI I had in 1990 (well, it was my wife's 8) ).

Also, there was also none of this woke stuff regarding driving.
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Post by BMWZ4MC » Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:11 pm

Ed Doe wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 9:03 am yeah but let's be honest, the traditional hot hatch has been dead years....

YES the Honda Civic Type R was on ECOTY this year, but when a hot hatch is £50k to buy new, is is not just missing the point (Simple decent chassis, big engine, cheap fun)?

I dunno, call me old and grumpy, but the Hot hatch died a long time ago - a casualty of the human necessity for 'more'; more power, more speed, better laptimes. The fun of spanking a relatively light, relatively soft NA hot hatch down the backroads has been drowned out in the marketing department demands for 'ring laptimes.

I miss my old Peugeot 306 GTi-6 :cry:
I absolutely agree…except mine was a 306 XSi.
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Post by buzyg » Mon Feb 26, 2024 6:21 pm

And don't forget we still have the E86. :evil: :wink:
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Post by Pondrew » Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:11 pm

buzyg wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 6:21 pm And don't forget we still have the E86.
Not really a hot hatch as such, though. Since BMW started meaning "Bloody Massive Weight" a good few years ago they were never in the running IMO.

1983 XR3i was my favourite! I had a Mk3 RS Turbo Escort aswell but the XR was more fun TBH. :)
All good things come to those who wait. I'm really impatient which explains a lot.

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Post by 1536Z4 » Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:22 pm

Ed Doe wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 12:09 pm Don't forget the Clio Williams
A mate of mine had a Clio Williams which as far as I remember had a build number plate . He was into his rallying and had owned a Talbot Sunbeam previously which was a laugh and after the Clio a Subaru WRX Sti . I didn`t know what all the fuss was about with the Clio until he took me out for a spin :rofl: :evil:
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Post by Pondrew » Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:32 pm

1536Z4 wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:22 pm A mate of mine had a Clio Williams which as far as I remember had a build number plate . He was into his rallying and had owned a Talbot Sunbeam previously which was a laugh and after the Clio a Subaru WRX Sti . I didn`t know what all the fuss was about with the Clio until he took me out for a spin
I worked for a while on the same industrial estate in Didcot where Williams "made" the Clio. I used to walk round there often and have a peer into the workshops. Cleanest and tidiest workshops I've ever seen!
My next door neighbour in 1993 bought a new Williams Clio (he was a BA pilot). It didn't look much IMO but was very fun to drive.
All good things come to those who wait. I'm really impatient which explains a lot.

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Post by MikeyH » Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:40 pm

buzyg wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 11:58 am
MikeyH wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 10:52 am I must be on my own here, I’ve never been a fan of the shopping trolleys with big engine era.
:o :? They are just so fast and fun, in the real world, for the money. :driving: The Fiat Coupe 20vt, was basically a hot hatch, with no hatch. I think it started as a Tipo in a dress. It could live with TVRs and embarrass E36 M3 Evo's. (When it was working) You have missed out Mike. :wink:
No, just no :thumbsdown:
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Post by 1536Z4 » Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:43 pm

Pondrew wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:32 pm It didn't look much IMO but was very fun to drive.
I agree it didn`t look like how it drove . I think it had bronze coloured wheels but that was about it . Probably had other bits that I didn`t notice .I was more into motor bikes at the time . :D
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Post by BMWZ4MC » Mon Feb 26, 2024 8:15 pm

Pondrew wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:11 pm 1983 XR3i was my favourite! I had a Mk3 RS Turbo Escort aswell but the XR was more fun TBH. :)
As a poor student, I had an Orion 1.6i Ghia - the thinking man’s XR3i (or rather the version insurable for a student living in London). It was fun at the time, but wasn’t as fast as I’d expected and the brakes were hopeless!
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Post by buzyg » Mon Feb 26, 2024 8:39 pm

Pondrew wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:11 pm
buzyg wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 6:21 pm And don't forget we still have the E86.
Not really a hot hatch as such, though. Since BMW started meaning "Bloody Massive Weight" a good few years ago they were never in the running IMO.

1983 XR3i was my favourite! I had a Mk3 RS Turbo Escort aswell but the XR was more fun TBH. :)
Just after a cheap bite. No they are not in the same league as genuine old school hot hatches. :wink:
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Post by Pondrew » Mon Feb 26, 2024 8:46 pm

BMWZ4MC wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 8:15 pm As a poor student, I had an Orion 1.6i Ghia
My sister had one as a company car in 1988. I really liked it. Plush interior (for an Escort)!

I did manage to fry the front brakes on my XR3 during a drive through the Welsh mountains one day. All was well after a few minutes of cooling down (the car and me).
All good things come to those who wait. I'm really impatient which explains a lot.

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Post by BMWZ4MC » Tue Feb 27, 2024 10:25 am

Pondrew wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 8:46 pm
BMWZ4MC wrote: Mon Feb 26, 2024 8:15 pm As a poor student, I had an Orion 1.6i Ghia
My sister had one as a company car in 1988. I really liked it. Plush interior (for an Escort)!

I did manage to fry the front brakes on my XR3 during a drive through the Welsh mountains one day. All was well after a few minutes of cooling down (the car and me).
Mine was a 1988-89 F-reg in metallic Champagne Gold (polished turd with a dash of glistening pink in direct sunlight - the perfect colour choice for a Pondrew, I would imagine) over matt grey with clear indicators and XR3i spotlights. It was definitely the fastest thing in Saaaf Lundin.
It was old and knackered before I got hold of it and life became much harder for it thereafter. In retrospect, the interior was much nicer than my other student cars, but I didn’t really appreciate that at the time (not that I’ve had call to get to know many escorts in my time).
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Post by pvr » Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:15 am

BMWZ4MC, did you dating life improve later on so you could drop the escorts? :poke:
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Post by buzyg » Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:20 am

pvr wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:15 am BMWZ4MC, did you dating life improve later on so you could drop the escorts? :poke:
Not until he stopped going Dutch. :wink:
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