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Roof issues - Pro Tool diagnosing
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Roof issues - Pro Tool diagnosing
Hey all
I've had issues with my roof and boot lately.
Sometimes I would randomly get chime about boot being open and roof operation randomly stops working.
Recently the roof did not want to go down at all: when back lid is closing and the roof is folded in top position, back lid would close as it should, but operation would not continue from there. I can still hear the hydraulics and roof stays folded on top (the back piece is not lowering).
So I figured that there must be something wrong with sensors that detect the back lid's position.
I have been using ProTool for a lot of stuff on other BMWs as well and to my positive surprise it also had logging available for convertible top module.
Looking at the log I can see that the status of left side is going randomly all over (see attached image). Now the question is which part number should I replace and how?
For those interested in what convertible top parameters ProTool is able to log, you can view my log of closing the top here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
Ps. Pro tip: ProTool is also able to open the boot even when its not supposed to open (roof operation is not complete).
I've had issues with my roof and boot lately.
Sometimes I would randomly get chime about boot being open and roof operation randomly stops working.
Recently the roof did not want to go down at all: when back lid is closing and the roof is folded in top position, back lid would close as it should, but operation would not continue from there. I can still hear the hydraulics and roof stays folded on top (the back piece is not lowering).
So I figured that there must be something wrong with sensors that detect the back lid's position.
I have been using ProTool for a lot of stuff on other BMWs as well and to my positive surprise it also had logging available for convertible top module.
Looking at the log I can see that the status of left side is going randomly all over (see attached image). Now the question is which part number should I replace and how?
For those interested in what convertible top parameters ProTool is able to log, you can view my log of closing the top here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
Ps. Pro tip: ProTool is also able to open the boot even when its not supposed to open (roof operation is not complete).
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Roof issues - Pro Tool diagnosing
It’s usually the two micro switches on the rams either side in the boot…sym wrote: ↑Sat Apr 08, 2023 10:46 am Hey all
I've had issues with my roof and boot lately.
Sometimes I would randomly get chime about boot being open and roof operation randomly stops working.
Recently the roof did not want to go down at all: when back lid is closing and the roof is folded in top position, back lid would close as it should, but operation would not continue from there. I can still hear the hydraulics and roof stays folded on top (the back piece is not lowering).
So I figured that there must be something wrong with sensors that detect the back lid's position.
I have been using ProTool for a lot of stuff on other BMWs as well and to my positive surprise it also had logging available for convertible top module.
Looking at the log I can see that the status of left side is going randomly all over (see attached image).
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Now the question is which part number should I replace and how?
For those interested in what convertible top parameters ProTool is able to log, you can view my log of closing the top here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
Ps. Pro tip: ProTool is also able to open the boot even when its not supposed to open (roof operation is not complete).
I found winter / damp caused similar issues with mine….they are supposed to be sealed but I still found those issues..I have a fresh pair of switches to go…
Good that Protool does such a good job..I’m a Protool fan
We choose to go to on with this endeavour at this time and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard…
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Roof issues - Pro Tool diagnosing
Are you referring to the boot closed micro switches?
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Roof issues - Pro Tool diagnosing
I just opened a similar thread. I haven't done the real-time logging on the top like you have, just pulled the error code.
@B21 is referring to parts 54377228585 & 54377228586, which have been recommended as a default replacement for top issues.
Christopher
2011 E89 Sdrive35i - Deep Sea Blue, Beige Kansas Leather
'fits in progress - PDC, Cameras, Comfort Access, Respray/Correction - all queued for poor weather.
(9) E46 convertibles; (1) E39 540i; (2) E36 Z3 roadsters; (1) Pre-prod E36 Z3- all gone
2011 E89 Sdrive35i - Deep Sea Blue, Beige Kansas Leather
'fits in progress - PDC, Cameras, Comfort Access, Respray/Correction - all queued for poor weather.
(9) E46 convertibles; (1) E39 540i; (2) E36 Z3 roadsters; (1) Pre-prod E36 Z3- all gone
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javis20, I hope I don’t have to do this before I sell on, but if I do, I’ll follow your video which is a great tutorial. Should be posted in the how-to section if it isn’t already there
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It's a very easy job.
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Easy, but not quick (or I'm slow). Most important to have spare trim fasteners... many have never been removed for a decade and won't survive the removal, even with the correct tool.
Important things I did:
Scribe the nuts with a white paint pen -- will save lots of time.
Use a 2mm hex driver to remove the M3 screws -- not an "L" wrench - better torque - and magnetize it!
replace the connector on the new parts, splice, solder, and heat shrink.
Christopher
2011 E89 Sdrive35i - Deep Sea Blue, Beige Kansas Leather
'fits in progress - PDC, Cameras, Comfort Access, Respray/Correction - all queued for poor weather.
(9) E46 convertibles; (1) E39 540i; (2) E36 Z3 roadsters; (1) Pre-prod E36 Z3- all gone
2011 E89 Sdrive35i - Deep Sea Blue, Beige Kansas Leather
'fits in progress - PDC, Cameras, Comfort Access, Respray/Correction - all queued for poor weather.
(9) E46 convertibles; (1) E39 540i; (2) E36 Z3 roadsters; (1) Pre-prod E36 Z3- all gone
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Just to clarify, I did mention at 1:10 to use a marking pen or other method to mark locations of nuts. And at 2:52 in the video I did mention it would be easier to cut off and splice the plugs, if car is earlier than 2014.
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You did! and it was important... just reinforcing... Next time I'll remember to reference the video to give props. I would not have executed half as quickly/well without the video you made.
Christopher
2011 E89 Sdrive35i - Deep Sea Blue, Beige Kansas Leather
'fits in progress - PDC, Cameras, Comfort Access, Respray/Correction - all queued for poor weather.
(9) E46 convertibles; (1) E39 540i; (2) E36 Z3 roadsters; (1) Pre-prod E36 Z3- all gone
2011 E89 Sdrive35i - Deep Sea Blue, Beige Kansas Leather
'fits in progress - PDC, Cameras, Comfort Access, Respray/Correction - all queued for poor weather.
(9) E46 convertibles; (1) E39 540i; (2) E36 Z3 roadsters; (1) Pre-prod E36 Z3- all gone