Not joined yet? Register for free and enjoy features such as alerts, private messaging and viewing latest posts and topics.

Back again - 2nd 35is - paid a lot - BAH!

Specific discussion about the E89 2009 Z4 (sDrive35is, sDrive35i, sDrive30i, sDrive23i)
Silverstar
Senior Member
Senior Member
Posts: 2145
Joined: Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:06 am
Location: Costa Del Sol

Back again - 2nd 35is - paid a lot - BAH!

Post by Silverstar » Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:47 am

Argyll Andy wrote: Tue Jan 17, 2023 6:54 pm Have a wee look at the link in my post on page 2 and see what you’ll get here for a wee bit more @£500k

viewtopic.php?t=139235&start=15
Blimey they say Spain is supposed to be cheap but looking at that listing I had better move back to the UK :rofl: near where I am new build 2 or 3 bed apartments cost between 500000 to 2 million (penthouse) euros!
2009 sdrive30i auto Sapphire Black / Coral Red

User avatar
Marcoose
Member
Member
Posts: 571
Joined: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:52 pm
Location: San Francisco, CA

Back again - 2nd 35is - paid a lot - BAH!

Post by Marcoose » Sun Jan 22, 2023 2:55 am

Silverstar wrote: Sun Jan 22, 2023 1:38 am It sure was expensive in the US, in the UK it’s list price was around £43k before options but it was never an M car, so one shouldn’t expect M level of sharpness from it. the M badging is merely the trim level as it is on all other E89s regardless which engine option you pick, they were all available in either SE or M trim level.
The 35is was marketed as a performance car. Irrespective of only an M badge.

The sad truth is as soon as you push it a bit, the shortcomings are clear. Disappointing for a BMW for that kind of money.

That’s why I call the E89 a GT. Sports car it isn’t. But with the right mods, yes, now we’re talking. I’m very happy with mine now.
2016 sDrive35is, monoballs, camber plates, KW V3, PS4S, bespoke xHP map, MHD map, aux LFB pedal
Image
Mount Tamalpais, California

zxy
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 37
Joined: Tue Dec 04, 2018 6:01 pm

Back again - 2nd 35is - paid a lot - BAH!

Post by zxy » Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:18 am

Well I consider it a sports car well maybe a GT sports roadster if you insist. It has many qualities that some of my so called true sports cars did not have. It is very powerful and is actually capable of decent lap times on a track, not that I recommend tracking it. So that means to me that it is sticks well enough in the turns, at least the one I have seems to. I would not push it to the point of using racing slicks or even summer performance tires but that is not necessary to do as well as most sports cars. Besides it is just fun to be in and be a bit sporty on country roads occasionally.
For a lot of my life a sports car had no A/C, no 7 speed paddle shifter. no DSC, no buttons to tighten the suspension, or even roll up windows or a power top much less an aluminum one, A lot of them were surprisingly slow, had an am radio hanging under the dash, possibly no air bags or even seatbelts and often scary handling. This could describe the era of beloved MGAs, Triumphs Porsches and Jag xk120s which some people actually raced on weekends. The E89 works for me as a sports car and as you say it can be elevated to more perfect one if you really need that.
2 Corvettes 2 Porsches,2 Alfas, 2 BMWs

User avatar
Marcoose
Member
Member
Posts: 571
Joined: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:52 pm
Location: San Francisco, CA

Back again - 2nd 35is - paid a lot - BAH!

Post by Marcoose » Sun Jan 22, 2023 5:53 am

I’m happy you have a nice motor and I’m happy you love it. Same here.
2016 sDrive35is, monoballs, camber plates, KW V3, PS4S, bespoke xHP map, MHD map, aux LFB pedal
Image
Mount Tamalpais, California

matsmith749
Member
Member
Posts: 156
Joined: Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:36 am

Back again - 2nd 35is - paid a lot - BAH!

Post by matsmith749 » Sun Jan 22, 2023 3:37 pm

That’s the beauty of the modern world - make it whatever you really want it to be :)

Happy days!
From Jan 2023 2016 e89 Z4 35is / mineral white / coral red interior / all the extras
SOLD 2010 e89 Z4 35is / space grey / coral red interior / all the extras
SOLD 2007 e85 Z4 3.0 si sport / midnight blue / champagne interior

User avatar
Nanu
Lifer
Lifer
Posts: 3188
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:47 pm
Location: Sunderland

Back again - 2nd 35is - paid a lot - BAH!

Post by Nanu » Sun Jan 22, 2023 9:02 pm

It sure was expensive in the US, in the UK it’s list price was around £43k before options but it was never an M car, so one shouldn’t expect M level of sharpness from it. the M badging is merely the trim level as it is on all other E89s regardless which engine option you pick, they were all available in either SE or M trim level.

[/quote]The way I understood it (And no doubt will be proved wrong) was the 35is already possessed as standard what 'M' division upgrades did.
G29 M30i M Sport San Francisco Red

Previous
E89 35is Valencia Orange
E89 28i Crimson
E89 25i White

User avatar
B21
Senior Member
Senior Member
Posts: 2936
Joined: Tue Oct 05, 2021 7:15 pm
Location: It never rains in Southern Caledonia

Back again - 2nd 35is - paid a lot - BAH!

Post by B21 » Sun Jan 22, 2023 10:48 pm

I guess based on the E85/E86M and other M cars that to be an M car they should have most if not all these attributes..

An engine that was mechanically different / uprated compared to ‘cooking’ models
A LSD of some type
Different steering geometry compared to ‘cooking’ models
Different steering / suspension / wheels / tyres / brake components compared to ‘cooking’ models
Different exhausts
Different seats / trim
Usually built in a different factory / team

Any others ?

Modded E89 20i MSport 2017-2022…Even more modded E89 35is 2021 onwards..details here.. https://www.dropbox.com/s/8h1vabklgzf4v ... t.pdf?dl=0


Image

Mr Tidy
Legend
Legend
Posts: 20610
Joined: Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:18 pm
Location: North West Surrey

Back again - 2nd 35is - paid a lot - BAH!

Post by Mr Tidy » Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:25 am

That sums most of it up for E85/86s. :thumbsup:

Ms had the S54 engine that the E46 M3 had with an LSD, Hydraulic PAS, non-runflat tyres and different geometry with wheels that had different offsets.

Although seats were the same as those in Sport facelifts, but with an M logo stamped on them!

Facelifts came as SE, Sport (and M) - BMW hadn't invented the M-Sport trim level then!
Coupes because stunning!
Current - Silver Grey MC, Imola Red heated Nappa & carbon trim. Aeros, H & R Coil-overs, 224s, OE Strut brace, Nav, cup-holders, DSP Hi-Fi, pdc, cruise, MFSW, no CDV! E90 330i daily
Gone - Montego Blue
Gone - Ruby Black

matsmith749
Member
Member
Posts: 156
Joined: Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:36 am

Back again - 2nd 35is - paid a lot - BAH!

Post by matsmith749 » Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:57 am

I've come to realise what I really want from this car over the years of having all sorts.

- Looks are important to me, nice inside & out - not like what everyone else has (tick)
- I drive humdrum roads at 30 mph or less for >90% of the time. Must have creature comforts (tick)
- I never go on racetracks, or drive at 10/10ths on back roads. Never. Excelling here at the expense of the 90% above would be bad (tick)

So yeh - more GT than pure sports car? I'm ok with that. From a pure handling perspective, I'm not sure that any e89 (tweaked or not) will out handle the older e85. So much weight gain is tough to overcome.

I like the more noise from the exhaust better than I would appreciate the 1 or 2 seconds per lap that I would get from better handling.

The 35is might well have been made with me exactly in mind - I loved the car last time I had it, and if the new one is just as good I will be delighted.

On the old one, I was more bothered that you couldn't put the roof up/down whilst moving than anything else!

Seems to be a lot of bashing of the 35is on here (surprises me) - I must be one of the few that have (i) had this car (ii) would buy another. It's a great car, with it's limits & shortcomings like any other.

Go into it with your eyes open - you may just love it!

I'm working on the 'mods list' as I wait to collect the car - stubby (check) - sat nav update (check) - number plate (check). Not a long list, in the summer I will change the speakers to something better.
Last edited by matsmith749 on Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:14 pm, edited 1 time in total.
From Jan 2023 2016 e89 Z4 35is / mineral white / coral red interior / all the extras
SOLD 2010 e89 Z4 35is / space grey / coral red interior / all the extras
SOLD 2007 e85 Z4 3.0 si sport / midnight blue / champagne interior

Online
User avatar
Chippie
Senior Member
Senior Member
Posts: 2026
Joined: Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:11 pm
Location: Wakefield

Back again - 2nd 35is - paid a lot - BAH!

Post by Chippie » Mon Jan 23, 2023 12:13 pm

B21 wrote: Sun Jan 22, 2023 10:48 pm The 35is might well have been made with me exactly in mind
:thumbsup: Me too, my only gripe is for me the steering can feel a little vague, this can probably be rectified with a few thousand pounds being spent on suspension and steering upgrades, when the time comes to replace failing parts I may well do this, but for now I’ll just accept it is what it is.
E89 35is space grey Kansas coral red leather

User avatar
B21
Senior Member
Senior Member
Posts: 2936
Joined: Tue Oct 05, 2021 7:15 pm
Location: It never rains in Southern Caledonia

Back again - 2nd 35is - paid a lot - BAH!

Post by B21 » Mon Jan 23, 2023 1:05 pm

matsmith749 wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:57 am I've come to realise what I really want from this car over the years of having all sorts.

- Looks are important to me, nice inside & out - not like what everyone else has (tick)
- I drive humdrum roads at 30 mph or less for >90% of the time. Must have creature comforts (tick)
- I never go on racetracks, or drive at 10/10ths on back roads. Never. Excelling here at the expense of the 90% above would be bad (tick)

So yeh - more GT than pure sports car? I'm ok with that.

I like the more noise from the exhaust better than I would appreciate the 1 or 2 seconds per lap that I would get from better handling.

The 35is might well have been made with me exactly in mind - I loved the car last time I had it, and if the new one is just as good I will be delighted.

On the old one, I was more bothered that you couldn't put the roof up/down whilst moving than anything else!
It’s a good reminder that we all have our own needs and wishes and where and how we drive defines what we are looking for..enjoy :thumbsup:

Modded E89 20i MSport 2017-2022…Even more modded E89 35is 2021 onwards..details here.. https://www.dropbox.com/s/8h1vabklgzf4v ... t.pdf?dl=0


Image

User avatar
Marcoose
Member
Member
Posts: 571
Joined: Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:52 pm
Location: San Francisco, CA

Back again - 2nd 35is - paid a lot - BAH!

Post by Marcoose » Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:42 pm

Whilst I’ve written harsh critiques about the 35is, I wasn’t bashing it. I love mine and would buy and mod another.

My beef is price for what you get straight out of the box. Whoever bought my car new for US$80,000 grossly overpaid for it. I however paid US$35,000, which was a massive deal. Even with US$5,000-US10,000 of mods, it’s still a great deal.

I’m very happy with mine and would own another.
2016 sDrive35is, monoballs, camber plates, KW V3, PS4S, bespoke xHP map, MHD map, aux LFB pedal
Image
Mount Tamalpais, California

User avatar
Nanu
Lifer
Lifer
Posts: 3188
Joined: Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:47 pm
Location: Sunderland

Back again - 2nd 35is - paid a lot - BAH!

Post by Nanu » Mon Jan 23, 2023 8:48 pm

matsmith749 wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:57 am
I'm working on the 'mods list' as I wait to collect the car - stubby (check) - sat nav update (check) - number plate (check). Not a long list, in the summer I will change the speakers to something better.
I was with you all the way until you mentioned a Stubby being an upgrade. At that point you lost all credibility :poke:
G29 M30i M Sport San Francisco Red

Previous
E89 35is Valencia Orange
E89 28i Crimson
E89 25i White

matsmith749
Member
Member
Posts: 156
Joined: Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:36 am

Back again - 2nd 35is - paid a lot - BAH!

Post by matsmith749 » Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:32 pm

Lol - no idea why this is even discussed :)

Prefer the look of the stubby aerial so it’s gonna get switched out… i don’t even listen to the radio :)
From Jan 2023 2016 e89 Z4 35is / mineral white / coral red interior / all the extras
SOLD 2010 e89 Z4 35is / space grey / coral red interior / all the extras
SOLD 2007 e85 Z4 3.0 si sport / midnight blue / champagne interior

User avatar
tiglon
Member
Member
Posts: 875
Joined: Mon Jun 24, 2019 11:20 am
Location: Essex

Back again - 2nd 35is - paid a lot - BAH!

Post by tiglon » Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:46 pm

:D
matsmith749 wrote: Mon Jan 23, 2023 10:32 pm Lol - no idea why this is even discussed :)

Prefer the look of the stubby aerial so it’s gonna get switched out… i don’t even listen to the radio :)
I don't listen to the radio either... not since I got a 35is with terrible radio signal anyway! Probably due to the stubby...

Love the car though and will likely own it until it dies or I'm forced to sell (probably by the mrs). Seriously underrated car regardless of any mods - most people have never come across one and are shocked by the performance. Is it a Boxster or Elise? No but I don't think it's trying to be.

As for the "M" debate, here's a photo of the engine swap I did this week with a 1M :thumbsup:
Attachments
20230122_163311.jpg
20230122_163311.jpg (213.53 KiB) Viewed 64 times
2014 E89 35is Valencia Orange 788M wheels (M2 Competition), E90 M3 control arms, Eibach Pro Kit Springs, MHD Stage 1

Post Reply