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Post by enuff_zed » Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:42 pm

kis wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:35 pm
enuff_zed wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:32 pm Now the market is awash with 2.8i and 3.0S models, but if you had a Mk2 1300L for example, it would be the rarest car of the bunch.
But does rare mean it's sought after? I wouldn't have thought so?
And certainly wouldn't think a 2.0i would ever demand a "oh look" reaction.
OK, that's exactly the reaction you would have got from the Capri set 20 years ago, but now...............

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Post by kis » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:03 pm

And that makes them more valuable than the 3.0? I mean hypothetically in like 20 years time!
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Post by Jl-c » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:06 pm

Rare does not necessarily = desirable.
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Post by Argyll Andy » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:20 pm

Jl-c wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:06 pm Rare does not necessarily = desirable.
When I was younger a dose of the clap was rare in my town but sure wasn’t desirable :o
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    Post by Jl-c » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:36 pm

    Argyll Andy wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:20 pm
    Jl-c wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:06 pm Rare does not necessarily = desirable.
    When I was younger a dose of the clap was rare in my town was rare but sure wasn’t desirable :o
    :rofl: :rofl:
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    Post by firebobby » Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:57 pm

    Argyll Andy wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:20 pm
    Jl-c wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:06 pm Rare does not necessarily = desirable.
    When I was younger a dose of the clap was rare in my town but sure wasn’t desirable :o
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    Post by kis » Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:50 am

    This is what I was trying to get my head around!
    I guess I've been cooped up inside too long and my brain functionality has been affected detrimentally. :fightwall: I kid you not!
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    Post by thepickles » Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:58 am

    I think we need a separate discussion page for all of the 2.0l owners like myself
    To discuss our soon to be rare and desirable
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    Post by Old-Duckman » Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:41 am

    From the vintage Ducati side of things (which I have some experience in...thus Old-"Duck"man)...Back in the day you could not give a Ducati single cylinder motorcycle away...Now they are desirable.

    I like the line of thought that the 2.0 will be, let's say, an unusual find in future years and therefore desirable to collectors. But, I also agree that time might be far in the future...but who knows. If you have garage space and the funds to have two, then keep the 2.0 and acquire a 3.0 as well. If those possibilities are out of the question for the present time then I would follow the advice of those who say sell the 2.0 and get the 3.0.

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    Post by enuff_zed » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:03 pm

    I'll give you 50 quid for the 2.0. No questions asked.
    Be best if I take it off your hands before you're lumbered with it :D
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    Post by enuff_zed » Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:07 pm

    Years back I had a pristine 2.8i Special Capri which I showed and used at weekends.
    As a runabout I had a Mk2 Capri 1.3L. Engine so small there was a spacer bracket at the front of the engine bay to move the radiator back closer to the block. :rofl:

    Chalk and cheese. Definitely had to remember which one I was in!
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    But oh boy did it make the 2.8i more fun when I got back in that! :driving:
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    Post by eddiemunster » Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:31 pm

    Old-Duckman wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:41 am I like the line of thought that the 2.0 will be, let's say, an unusual find in future years and therefore desirable to collectors.
    They'll never, ever have any value in the future.

    1. Modern cars comfortably out-last anything made pre-90s, so there'll be more of them around; when there's choice, people always want the one that's the rarest. Having owned quite a few classics, the "bottom spec" cars only become popular/desirable when there are none of the "higher spec" cars left, or there are none left at sensible prices.
    2. The Z4 has a shared platform and so parts are easily accessible, BMW can keep the supply going as financially it's worth their while given the number of models those parts can/will fit.
    3. Pursuant to #1, people will begin ditching traditional fossil-fuel cars in 8-10 years as the ban comes into place, and so the market will become flooded with "classic cars" and therefore potential purchaser will have a greater choice. They'll go for the rarer options first as they're more like to retain their value.

    People buy a 1.6 Laser Capri as there are hardly any Tickfords left.

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    Post by enuff_zed » Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:57 pm

    eddiemunster wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:31 pm
    Old-Duckman wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:41 am I like the line of thought that the 2.0 will be, let's say, an unusual find in future years and therefore desirable to collectors.
    They'll never, ever have any value in the future.

    1. Modern cars comfortably out-last anything made pre-90s, so there'll be more of them around; when there's choice, people always want the one that's the rarest. Having owned quite a few classics, the "bottom spec" cars only become popular/desirable when there are none of the "higher spec" cars left, or there are none left at sensible prices.
    2. The Z4 has a shared platform and so parts are easily accessible, BMW can keep the supply going as financially it's worth their while given the number of models those parts can/will fit.
    3. Pursuant to #1, people will begin ditching traditional fossil-fuel cars in 8-10 years as the ban comes into place, and so the market will become flooded with "classic cars" and therefore potential purchaser will have a greater choice. They'll go for the rarer options first as they're more like to retain their value.

    People buy a 1.6 Laser Capri as there are hardly any Tickfords left.
    Well that's it then!
    Here endeth the lesson :roll:
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    Post by thepickles » Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:52 pm

    enuff_zed wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:03 pm I'll give you 50 quid for the 2.0. No questions asked.
    Be best if I take it off your hands before you're lumbered with it :D
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    Post by Mr Tidy » Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:31 pm

    eddiemunster wrote: Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:31 pm They'll never, ever have any value in the future.

    1. Modern cars comfortably out-last anything made pre-90s, so there'll be more of them around; when there's choice, people always want the one that's the rarest. Having owned quite a few classics, the "bottom spec" cars only become popular/desirable when there are none of the "higher spec" cars left, or there are none left at sensible prices.
    2. The Z4 has a shared platform and so parts are easily accessible, BMW can keep the supply going as financially it's worth their while given the number of models those parts can/will fit.
    3. Pursuant to #1, people will begin ditching traditional fossil-fuel cars in 8-10 years as the ban comes into place, and so the market will become flooded with "classic cars" and therefore potential purchaser will have a greater choice. They'll go for the rarer options first as they're more like to retain their value.

    People buy a 1.6 Laser Capri as there are hardly any Tickfords left.
    I agree with all you said, but I particularly liked your reference to a 1.6 Laser Capri!

    A mate of mine is currently selling a mint MK3 Capri 1.6L in beige that has had one previous owner and done about 35,000 miles IIRC. :lol:

    But I wouldn't want it at any price - both my Capris were 2.8 Injections! And even one of those would feel a bit gutless after years of BMW petrol straight 6s.
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